Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:46 am Post subject: Secret Societies and the Occult Revival
Anyone studying or investigating the crisis in the church eventually would stumble on to the topic of anti-Catholic occult secret societies. An article on the topic is available at the following link:
Adolf Hitler was also heavily into the occult. Apparently though, Free Masons were among those whom the Nazis persecuted. But that was because Hitler was so greedy for occultic powers & forces, that he wanted absolutely no competition whatsoever.
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 1612 Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject:
With the increasing amount of Occult activity in the world today, I never leave home without a St. Benedict medal, scapular and rosary in my posession.
Adolf Hitler was also heavily into the occult. Apparently though, Free Masons were among those whom the Nazis persecuted. But that was because Hitler was so greedy for occultic powers & forces, that he wanted absolutely no competition whatsoever.
The Nazi case is interesting because its inner circle, an occult secret society known as the Thule Society, drew their absurd gnostic doctrines from a number of different occult and esoteric groups. The preoccupation with eugenics, racial superiority theories, and vaguely neo-Darwinian ideas about fitness have certain similarities with the other secret society groups the Nazis suppressed. And, of course, Hitler received financial backing and support from secret societies in the U.S. which were also involved in eugenics and which today support embryonic stem cell research, cloning, euthanasia, fetal tissue harvesting, and assorted other Frankenstein grotesquerie, etc.
Occult secret societies continue to play a disturbing and malevolent role in the anti-Christian assault on human civilization. And on the church.
World War I and the Bolshevik Revolution, which set up the historical and political situations and forces which ushered in National Socialism, were the product of secret society conspiracies and assassinations. And, of course, the apparitions at Fatima were connected with messages about Russia and a future great war (World War II). We are still in the cycle of violence which traces back to those secret society conspiracies. And the prophetic warnings about future chastisements and disasters remain in effect.
At any rate, both the Nazis and liberal secular humanists are connected with anti-Christian secret societies which have engaged in homicidal conspiracies to achieve similar deranged goals and agendas which infuse the state with demonic tyrannical power, assaulting humanity with absurd neo-Darwinian ideology, twisting civilization away from Christian moral values. The Terri Schiavo case comes to mind (in which both homicide and strange occult ideas were blended together for whatever deranged purpose).
With the increasing amount of Occult activity in the world today, I never leave home without a St. Benedict medal, scapular and rosary in my posession.
An excellent idea.
Part of what the modernists have lost is an awareness that we are in a supernatural struggle against evil. When the clergy and the church lose that spiritual sense, Catholicism becomes incoherent, Mass attendance drops off, and society in general drifts into a distorted post-Christian haze of moral, spiritual, and cultural confusion. MTV culture.
Adolf Hitler was also heavily into the occult. Apparently though, Free Masons were among those whom the Nazis persecuted. But that was because Hitler was so greedy for occultic powers & forces, that he wanted absolutely no competition whatsoever.
Not quite right- party members who were were not promoted, as Hitler worried occult links might affect the image of the Nazis in their quest for power. Freemasons were clear competition. Many Nazi members were keen ecumenists- for the sake of German unity.
There is a lot of evidence that the Nazis (and the The Thule Society) were aiming at some sort of weird occult synthesis derived from various occult orders, secret societies, and esoteric mystical groups, borrowing ideas, theories, methods, and motifs and adapting them to the goals and structure of National Socialism. They represent a more aggressive and overt expression of the ideas of gnostic occultism on the political ideological level. Here's a sample from an an article on one site:
While on the surface the members of the Third Reich looked like they had mostly political aims, they actually harbored many extreme and dangerous "religious" and mythological views, which in time they hoped to bring to the forefront of Germany. Hitler and his followers were fascinated by occultism and psychical research.
One such fascination was with the teachings of a Mme Blavatsky, around the late 1800s early 1900s in a school of thought now called Theosophy Theosophy was a conglomeration of teachings including occultism, research into ghosts and paranormal phenomena, and an extensive philosophical/religious base often based upon mythology, the gnostic new testament, a sort of 'Atlantean cult" and "Alexandrian" teachings.
…Part and parcel to the philosophy was the belief that one day, the race of superior human beings who inhabited the semi-mythical Lost City of Atlantis would reappear, through the superior Aryan peoples. They also argued that there have been successions of 'root races" and that we are in the 5th root of 7. When the 7th arrives, it will be equated with power and perfection. A beginning, inferior race which they equated with the Hebrews of History found in the Bible would be utter replaced, and necessarily for the more advanced to take hold. Blavatsky and others believed that as the human race evolved, the 'superior' race would find its place by supplanting this earlier root race. A Utopia in Theosophy would only come about eventually as an evolved, genetically superior persons descended from the Atlanteans would take hold, displacing a people they identified as the Jews and other inferior races. This new superior race was aligned with and akin to Hitler's concept of the "Master Race". Hitler, Himmler and other Inner Circle members ascribed to these philosophies, although they kept them secret from the general German public earlier in the war. The Eugenicists of the time, funded and endorsed by the Third Reich, active both in Europe and in America thought to apply their pseudo-science to the controlled advent of this end.
"Their [the Freemasons] hierarchical organization and the initiation through symbolic rites, that is to say without bothering the brains but by working on the imagination through magic and the symbols of a cult - all this is the dangerous element and the element I have taken over. Don't you see that our party must be of this character?...An Order, that is what it has to be - an Order, the hierarchical Order of a secular priesthood."
- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf
"In Berlin, Haushofer had founded the Luminous Lodge or the Vril Society. The Lodge's objective was to explore the origins of the Aryan race and to perform exercises in concentration to awaken the forces of 'Vril'. Haushofer was a student of the Russian magician and metaphysician Gregor Ivanovich Gurdyev (George Gurdjieff). Both Gurdjeiff and Haushofer maintained that they had contacts with secret Tibetan lodges that possessed the secret of the 'Superman'. The Lodge included Hitler, Aalfred Rosenberg, Himmler, Göring, and Hitler's subsequent personal physician Dr. Morell. It is also known that Aleister Crowley and Gurdjieff sought contact with Hitler. Hitler's unusual powers of suggestion become more understandable if one keeps in mind that he had access to the 'secret' psychological techniques of the esoteric lodges. Haushofer taught him the techniques of Gurdjieff which, in turn, were based on the teachings of the Sufis and the Tibetan lamas- and familiarized him with the Zen teaching of the Japanese Society of the Green Dragon."
- Wulf Schwartzwaller, The Unknown Hitler
"The idea for the use of the swastika by the Nazis came from a dentist named Dr. Friedrich Krohn who was a member of the secret Germanen Order. Krohn produced the design for the actual form in which the Nazis came to use the symbol, that is reversed, spinning in an anti-clockwise direction. as a solar symbol, the swastika is properly thought of as spinning, and the Buddhists have always believed the symbol attracted luck. The Sanskrit word 'svastika' means good fortune and well being. According to Cabbalistic lore and occult theory, chaotic force can be evoked by reversing the symbol. And so the symbol appeared as the flag of Nazi Germany and the insignia of the Nazi party, an indication for those who had eyes to see, as to the occult nature of the Third Reich."
- Bernard Schreiber. The Men Behind Hitler
"After a lengthy quasi-mystical novitiate, SS recruits were obliged to attend "neo-pagan ceremonies of a specifically SS religion devised by Himmler himself and clearly derived from his interests in occultism and the worship of Woden."
- Francis King, Satan and the Swastika
"Himmler had abandoned his Catholic faith for spiritualism, astrology and mesmerism in his late teens. He was convinced that he was the reincarnation of Heinrich the Fowler, founder of the Saxon royal house, who died in 936. All these elements were incorporated into his SS 'religion'. "
"Himmler devised new festivals to take the place of such Christian events as Christmas and Easter, he wrote out baptism and marriage ceremonies - though he believed polygamy would best serve the interests of the SS elite - and he even issued instructions on the correct manner of committing suicide.
"The center of the SS 'cult' became the castle of Wewelsburg in Westphalia, which Himmler bought as a ruin in 1934 and rebuilt over the next 11 years at a cost of 13 million marks. The central banqueting hall contained a vast round table with 13 throne-like seats to accommodate Himmler and 12 of his closest 'apostles' - making, as some occult writers have pointed out, a coven of 13. Beneath this hall was a 'Hall of the Dead', where plinths stood around a stone table. As each member of the inner circle of the SS died, his coat of arms would be burned and, together with his ashes, placed in an urn on one of these plinths for veneration."
- Richard Deacon, Spyclopaedia
Nazi mysticism is a term used to describe a quasi-religious undercurrent of Nazism; it denotes the combination of Nazism with occultism, esotericism, cryptohistory, and/or the paranormal.
In some cases it ascribes a religious significance to the person of Adolf Hitler and his doctrine.
Modern examples include Ariosophy, Armanism, Theozoology, Armanenorden, Artgemeinschaft, and Esoteric Hitlerism.
Other related modern theories involve Hitler having escaped to the Antarctic, where he joined with a subterranean dinosauroid master race, with whom he now travels inside UFOs underground, generally beneath the South Pole or throughout the center of the hollow earth, but sometimes to a Nazi moon base as well. (See Miguel Serrano, below.)
"The Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian; he views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race."
Joseph Goebbels, in his diary, December 28, 1939.
"Christianity is the prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilisation by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society."
"The Ahnenerbe Society, the ancestral heritage branch of the SS (also called by some the Nazi Occult Bureau) was dedicated primarily to the research of proving the superiority of the Aryan race but was also involved in occult practices. Founded in 1935 by Himmler, the Society became involved in searching for Atlantis and the Holy Grail (and is believed to be the basis for the Nazis in the Indiana Jones series of movies)."
"The Thule-Gesellschaft (Thule Society) was founded August 17, 1918, by
Rudolf von Sebottendorff. He had been schooled in occultism, Islamic mysticism, alchemy, Rosicrucianism and much else, in Turkey, where he had also been initiated into Freemasonry.
Its original name was Studiengruppe f?manisches Altertum (Study Group for German Antiquity), but it soon started to disseminate anti-republican and anti-Semitic propaganda.
A movement to promote Thulian ideas among industrial workers and to offset Marxism, was formed in August 1918 - the Workers' Political Circle with Thulist Karl Harrer as chairman.
From this came the German Workers' Party in 1919. "
Roberto Calvi, Vatican banker 10/7/05 Toronto Star (http:www.thestar.com)
"Why was 'God's banker' killed? Was financier laundering money for Mafia, Vatican? After 25 years, trial of five seeks the answers
- Bill Taylor "Even the Pope couldn't help "God's banker."
Roberto Calvi, an Italian financier with ties both to the Vatican - hence his nickname - and the Mafia, in 1982 begged John Paul II to step in and save his bank from collapse, The Times of London reports. But money was the least of Calvi's problems. Two weeks later, on June 19, he was found hanging by an orange rope tied in a lover's knot from scaffolding under one of the nine arches of Blackfriars Bridge in central London. The 300-metre, 18th century stone structure spans the River Thames. It was one of the showier crimes of the 20th century, originally ruled a suicide but revealed two years ago to be homicide, with all the ingredients of a good whodunit - organized crime, financial scandal, money laundering for the Mafia and the Vatican, and chicanery in the most confidential corridors of religious power and the equally secret affairs of freemasonry.
It also never has been explained how someone could suspend a corpse in such a prominent place without being noticed." "The prosecution will argue the accused lured Calvi to London to kill him after he held onto millions of dollars he was laundering for the Mafia and also stole from financier Licio Gelli, head of the illegal Masonic lodge, P2."
"The defence, sticking to the original finding of suicide, is expected to embarrass the Roman Catholic church by calling former Vatican officials to testify. Among those anxious to see justice finally done are Calvi's widow Carla and son Carlo, a Montreal banker. They believe he was the victim of a well-disguised Cosa Nostra hit to cover up the Vatican Bank's involvement with the Mafia"
Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 190 Location: Melbourne, au
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject:
Surprising that the demise of Roberto Calvi should surface again after twenty years. David Yallop (In God’s Name, 1984) wrote up the scandalous background, excellently reviewed for the Catholic mind by the Abbé de Nantes. His critique is still at http://www.crc-internet.org/oct84.htm.
Of course the current trials of the accused go only to who “pulled the trigger,” a fatuous enquiry. After Calvi was “suicided” within “the City,” it was incisively observed that everybody in banking digested the timely reminder that there is no life without obedience.
Does anyone know what ever became of “the gorilla,” Archbishop Paul Marcinkus, promoted by JP2 after JP1’s murder?
Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 190 Location: Melbourne, au
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject:
HowlinglyAbsurd wrote:
"The defence, sticking to the original finding of suicide, is expected to embarrass the Roman Catholic church by calling former Vatican officials to testify."
Well, there is nothing wrong with embarrassing the Catholic Church!
Does anyone know what ever became of “the gorilla,” Archbishop Paul Marcinkus, promoted by JP2 after JP1’s murder?
The rumor I have heard batted around - and, of course, in the murky underworlds of secret societies, banking conspiracies, and bizarre Vatican intrigues, one is enmired in the penumbra of slippery gossip and rumors - is that Marcinkus is living comfortably in retirement in Arizona, golfing, restaurant hopping, etc. Whether this is part of some legalistic coverup or infernal reward for services rendered, those of us enshrouded in the widening hoodwink have not been directly illuminated on the matter.
"The Grail is not a bloodline. This false story originated in reams of fraudulent documents created by an extreme right-wing French sect. The group responsible for these fictions, calling itself the 'Priory of Sion' and claiming an ancient esoteric lineage, has kept its own authentic history carefully hidden. It has attempted to appropriate Templar history and portray the Templars as subservient to it and to its fictional bloodline through totally fabricated documents various authors call 'the Priory documents' and by such claims as one that the familial home of a Templar Grand Master was at Blanchefort, near Rennes-le-Chateau. Yet Blanchefort was the home of a Cathar noble of that name, not a Temple Grand Master. Few researchers have bothered to investigate this or innumerable other outright fictions."
- Robert Richardson, "The Priory of Sion Hoax" from Gnosis Magazine Spring, 1999
*** The new Pope, Benedict XVI, was actively investigating secret societies including the Knights Templar and the Illuminati, it was revealed yesterday. Details were exposed by a local newspaper in Hertfordshire, England. Cardinal Ratzinger was head of the Inquisition, the arm of the Church set up to investigate, persecute or eliminate heretics. But the curious thing is, we now know that he started his investigation shortly before he was elected as the new Pope. Did he know something? He certainly made no secret of his ambition to become Pope. ***
Pope’s probe into Hertford’s Templars
THE NEW POPE has reportedly made inquiries into a secret society in Hertford, the Knights Templar.
He is thought to have contacted a top Hertfordshire historian and a records officer at County Hall in Hertford.
The inquiries follow the Templars’ demand last December for a papal apology by 2007 for their persecution by the Vatican almost 700 years ago.
The demand – which the Vatican was said to be ‘seriously considering’ – made international headlines after it was exclusively revealed by the Mercury. The news also appeared in national newspapers, including The Times, The Independent, and The Guardian.
Now we have received new information that Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger made the calls prior to his election as Pope Benedict XVI earlier this month.
A source told the Mercury that the German cardinal contacted local history expert Dr Alan Thompson at the University of Hertfordshire. The anonymous source also pointed out that the Pope’s homeland, Bavaria, where he became a memeber of Hitler Youth, is also the homeland of a mysterious secret society, the Illuminati.
After we asked him to confirm the claim, Dr Thompson said: “I was contacted some time ago by a previous cardinal ... but I don't want to talk any more about it.”
Tim Acheson, a modern-day Templar, commented: “The professor may not want to give anything away, but there is an important clue in his reply. The ‘previous cardinal’ can only refer to one man – Ratzinger.”
In Dan Brown’s best-selling novel, Angels and Demons, the Illuminati takes revenge on the Vatican. Mr Acheson speculated, “Ratzinger is on record suggesting that Freemasonry was set up to persecute Christianity. Perhaps it is the revenge of the Templars that the Church fears, since the origin of Freemasonry is rooted in the persecution of the Templars by the Church.”
Before he became Pope, Cardinal Ratzinger led the Vatican committee once known as the ‘Inquisition’. Among its roles is to consider apologies to groups persecuted by the church.
Such groups include the Knights Templar, a secretive Order of warrior monks who were persecuted by King Phillip IV of France and Pope Clement V from October 13, 1307.
The Mercury’s source also claimed that the cardinal contacted Herts County Council's environmental records officer, Alison Tinneswood.
Ms Tinneswood would not comment this week and, seeking refuge in the “Data Protection Act”, a Herts County. Council spokesman refused to confirm or deny that a member of staff had been contacted by the Vatican.
A press officer for the Holy See pledged to look into the matter.
Mr Acheson observes an ironic historical connection between the Templars and the name of the new Pope.
He added, cryptically: “The pontiff chose Benedict as his papal title, a name with special significance for the Knights Templar. The Rule of the Templars, which is like a code of conduct for the Order, was originally known as the Rule of Benedict.”
"An interesting bit of information has come out about the new Pope Benedict XVI (aka Ratzinger). It seems that very shortly before being elected pope, he was researching the history of the Knights Templar and the Illuminati..."
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:58 am Post subject: Really?
And a Gnostic is going to tell me what is a hoax and what is not? The infighting that goes on between the various Masonic sects and the vast coverups they undertake to confuse those wise to them is neverending.
Indeed.
You will note that the newspaper article on the Templars refers to "their persecution by the Vatican" 700 years ago. Small problem: "The Vatican" did not exist in the 1300s. Pope Clement V, a Frenchman, was essentially a Gallican and puppet of the King of France. He moved the papal court to Avignon in 1309. If there is any argument for the masonic pseudo-Templars (no real Templars are still living) against oppressors needing to offer an apology, they need to look among Parisians and in Avignon - NOT "The Vatican."
Collective guilt is an absurd concept anyway. No living Catholic oppressed the 14th-century Templars, hence no living Catholic bears guilt for their suppression.
The secret societies are filled with this kind of nonsense and absurd allegations. The anti-Catholic hysteria in this area is ridiculous. Sad. Pathetic. Deranged. And bordering on the psychotic.
"We deny it at our peril. I could point out places only minutes from here where black masses are being celebrated. I know of cases of human sacrifice - the sacrifice of babies. I know the people who are doing these things."
In the apartment, the atmosphere is close and sickly. Sometimes, says Father Martin, the demons can make the air freeze or turn it hot and fetid. No one here knows how long this will take. An exorcism can last for hours, or even days. The Bible says: "Only by prayer and fasting shall these devils be cast out."
Spiritual Wickedness in High Places
Malachi Martin on The End of Religion (As We Know It)
by Uri Dowbenko
Steamshovel Press
(Note: The following was one of the last interviews by Malachi Martin before his death in 1999.)
"...But these are men who came to be and are in their actions at least, humanitarian and philanthropic. They want to wipe out hunger and disease. They want to limit the population of the world. They believe the world is headed for mass starvation. They also want to enter into education. They would like to have an alliance with the Roman Catholic Church and with another pope. This one -- they know would stand in their way in regards to population control because he is deadstart against abortion, contraceptives, genetic engineering."
And what about "The Process" he refers to in his book?
Dr. Martin replies that it´s the "Luciferian Process" of secularizing every religious mind so that the common mind today would be one which regarded the earth as a planned paradise to be built up. There is no God above the skies, no heaven, and there is no hell beneath the earth. It´s complete secularization."
"...The purpose is to secularize education completely," continues Dr. Martin. "And to eliminate from considerations of life and death -- medicine, sociality, finance, birth, development etc., to free that of any religious presumption whatever. To free it from the superstition of religion so that man is dealt with scientifically and humanly. And that is ´the Process´. ´The Process´ is to make the human mind accept that... ´The Process´ is whereby all education, primary secondary and higher, college university and all public activity is completely rid of all religious presumptions."
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 1343 Location: Orlando, Florida
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:59 am Post subject:
Being on a secular college campus, I'm amazed at how many "Catholics" belong to Greek fraternity/sorority organizations. I've read some odd things about these groups as well as hearing stories that detramental to ones faith in these groups; e.g. wild parties, "branding" people with their insignia, etc. From what I've studied, these groups are major pipelines to "advanced" Masonic organizations. You can see it with their own hierarchy in place, e.g. the "elder sisters" and what not.
Unfortunately, young Catholics, generally speaking, receive very poor or almost no instruction at all from Catholic clergy on the very real dangers of anti-Catholic secret societies and gnostic pseudo-elitism. This may have been due to the decline in seminary training and Catholic higher education. Priests and bishops for many years failed to warn Catholics about these things. And for quite a while in this country they were very busy promoting the global socialist goals of the secret societies themselves. Many still are either unwittingly or for more disturbing reasons.
Among other things, the anti-Christian neo-pagan ideology underlying
this has been a spearhead for promoting abortion, population control, and embryonic stem cell slaughter.
First day of school for aspiring Vatican exorcists
By Philip Pullella2 hours, 6 minutes ago
It was the first day of school, so some students were understandably nervous.
But then again, they were not taking just any course, but one run by a Vatican university to teach
aspiring demonologists and exorcists.
"There is no doubt that the devil is intervening more in the life of man these days," Father Paolo Scarafoni
told the students, most of them priests who want to learn how to tackle the demon if they should ever encounter him.
"Not all of you will become exorcists but it is indispensable that every priest knows how to discern
between demonic possession and psychological problems," he said.
The four-month course, called "Exorcism and the Prayer of Liberation,"
is being offered for the second year by Pontifical Regina Apostolorum University on Rome's outskirts.
The about 120 students from around the world will hear lectures on topics such as the pastoral, spiritual, theological,
liturgical, medical, legal and criminological aspects of Satanism and demonic possession.
One planned lecture is called: "Problems related to exorcism and correlated issues."
One priest, who asked not to be identified, said he decided to take the course after a "very unsettling experience"
while hearing the confession of one young member of his parish.
"Her voice changed, her face was transformed and she started speaking in a language that she did not know," he said.
"I've met people who are suffering from this problem and it is not
as rare as we might imagine."
So, will he be ready to wrestle with demons of the kind who may have possessed his parishioner in the confessional box?
"If, after this course, my superiors decide that it will be useful for me to become an exorcist, I will do it," he said.
REAL-LIFE EXORCISTS
Interest in the devil and the occult has been boosted by films such as this year's "The Exorcism of Emily Rose,"
and last year's "Exorcist: The Beginning," which was the sequel to
the original "The Exorcist" in 1973.
But forget the films. The students will have several real-life and well known exorcists to teach them.
One is Father Gabriele Nanni, who attended Thursday's opening class and spoke to Reuters during a break.
"First thing is the priest has to know if the devil is at work in a person or
if the problem is somewhere else," he said.
Nanni said there are four sure signs that pointed to demonic possession rather than psychological problems.
He listed them as:
"When someone speaks or understands languages they normally
do not; when their physical strength is disproportionate to their
body size or age; when they are suddenly knowledgeable about
occult practices; when they have a physical aversion to sacred things, such as the communion host or prayers".
According to some estimates, as many as 5,000 people are thought to be members of Satanic cults in Italy
with 17-to 25-year-olds making up three quarters of them.
In 1999, the Vatican updated its ritual for exorcism.
It starts with prayers, a blessing and sprinkling of holy water, the laying on of hands on the possessed,
and the making of the sign of the cross.
The formula begins: "I order you, Satan..."
It goes on to denounce Satan as "prince of this world" and
"enemy of human salvation". It ends: "Go back, Satan."
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:09 am Post subject: Rigt wing conspirators
Yes, sadly many "right wingers," even conservative Catholics and Trads so-called also play on this playground. In the early days many believed that the John Birch Society and fighting Communism was the answer, but their answer presents only the political side of the conspiracy and does not include religion. So for a Catholic this is completely a waste of time.
What doesn't subvert you will neutralize efforts at learning the real story behind Freemasonry, and fraternities/sororities are the starting point for many young people. However the "white" versions of Masonry such as the Rotary, Elks, yes even Boy Scouts, is what gradually eases many into a lifetime of at least cooperation.
As Malachy Martin said, their aim is to destroy ALL religion...
maybe we should rage a war of prayer on this as well? I know someone who tried to stand up to them, they payed horribly for it, and they continue to pay.
Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 1323 Location: USA - east coast
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:16 am Post subject: Re: Rigt wing conspirators
Anastasia wrote:
Yes, sadly many "right wingers," even conservative Catholics and Trads so-called also play on this playground. In the early days many believed that the John Birch Society and fighting Communism was the answer, but their answer presents only the political side of the conspiracy and does not include religion. So for a Catholic this is completely a waste of time.
What doesn't subvert you will neutralize efforts at learning the real story behind Freemasonry, and fraternities/sororities are the starting point for many young people. However the "white" versions of Masonry such as the Rotary, Elks, yes even Boy Scouts, is what gradually eases many into a lifetime of at least cooperation.
As Malachy Martin said, their aim is to destroy ALL religion...
Well said. And the "white" version, as you put it, is what suckers people into it - into the Luciferian mindframe - without even realizing it. Many people would be shocked to learn that the Boy Scouts of America was founded and operated as an innocuous appearing organization, which in reality was preparing children for Masonic thinking/philosphy in the very heart of the program itself. Also, in the free association with scores of adult Freemasons (volunteers & professional staff) who run it. Men who are Masons are usually actively encouraged to be adult volunteers, and are given preference over others in leadership status.
As to the philosophy to be inculcated in the boys, one needs only to read the Handbook - either the 1910 version of the present one. It is quite obvious once objectively read. They are effectively grooming "junior Masons" on a wide scale. And there are appendent honor societies & college fraternitites which introduce those who were/are in the program to Masonry.
Why do you think that attaining the (highest) rank of Eagle Scout is so important..........when listed on a job application? It is showing that the young man has been effectively trained in Masonic philosopy, and is a ripe candidate for "advancement" in any organization.
Some of the proof of the pudding here is the fact that Scouting was banned from many parishes (and even whole dioceses) for many years, under threat of interdict. Why? Some wise pastors & bishop knew exactly what it was about, and forbid boys and men from membership.
Not one Catholic layman or clergyman was one of the original supporters, incorporators, or members of the National Council when it was founded in 1910. Interesting, no?
Finally, the honor society of Scouting - the Order of the Arrow - is literally based on the Blue Lodge of Masonry, with Three Degrees. Initiation and advancement is by secret ceremonies & oaths, which mimic the Masonic Degrees of the Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Master Mason. It was founded by Dr. E. Urner Goodman, a professional employee of the Bboy Scouts of America, and a Freemason from Phildelphia.
With all of this in mind, and the known fact that Scouting has attracted to it many homosexuals & pedophiles over its 95 year history........ya still want your kid to be a Boy Scout? _________________ Vade retro Drace! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!
Leave Exorcism to the Experts, Warns Church
Oct 14 3:03 AM US/Eastern
A far cry from sorcerers, satanists and other practitioners whom he dismisses as "charlatans," Italian exorcist Andrea Gemma fights the devil only with the strength of his prayers and advises Catholics: 'Don't do this at home".
A rotund, expansive Neapolitan, the 74-year-old bishop was the first lecturer to face the Catholic Church's latest crop of budding exorcists at a unique course run by clergy at Rome's Pontifical Regina Apostolorum University. The course began Thursday and will run for several weeks.
Faced with a classroom of 50 priests intent on learning how best to take on the devil, the veteran Gemma profiles his ideal comrade at arms, spiritually-speaking: "Live a holy life, work hard and be devoted to the Madonna".
The students at this second course -- the first course of its kind drew more than 100 priests last year -- include lay Catholics.
"If you reject God you leave a place for his enemy. Neutrality is not an option," the priest who heads the course, Father Gabriele Nanni of the ultra-conservative congregation Legionaires of Christ, tells them.
"And in our societies given over to neo-paganism, agnosticism, to a revolt against God, it was inevitable that the demon would find more space to act," he said.
Father Gemma is also convinced. In his small southern Italian diocese of Isernia, which has a population of 60,000 souls, he has nominated four exorcist priests -- well above the Italian average, where priests authorised to carry out exorcisms number in the several hundreds.
But he criticised the Italian bishops' council for being insufficiently committed to hunting down demons, though he said he was encouraged by Pope Benedict XVI's recent public support for priests tasked with such missions.
The pope had a brief exchange with a few of the priests attending a congress of Italian exorcists after one of his weekly general audiences last month, telling them to "continue your important mission in the service of the Church."
The prelate, whose titanic struggles against the devil fills several of his books, recognizes that not all the cases referred to him require exorcism.
Some are "poor people who need someone to listen to them," he said. "But those priests who send them away without listening to them patiently are not fit for the priesthood."
When someone is really possessed by the devil, he said, "freeing them of it can take months, if not years."
But the bishop is certain of one thing: "The devil is not the God of evil, God is stronger."
Asked about his method of discerning real cases of possession from other psychological illnesses, the priest revealed his "secret weapon":
"If I speak Latin, the demon responds to me in Latin. He has a horror of that language."
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Rigt wing conspirators
[quote="thor76"]
Anastasia wrote:
Yes, sadly many "right wingers," even conservative Catholics and Trads so-called also play on this playground. In the early days many believed that the John Birch Society and fighting Communism was the answer, but their answer presents only the political side of the conspiracy and does not include religion. So for a Catholic this is completely a waste of time.
Well said. And the "white" version, as you put it, is what suckers people into it - into the Luciferian mindframe - without even realizing it. Many people would be shocked to learn that the Boy Scouts of America was founded and operated as an innocuous appearing organization, which in reality was preparing children for Masonic thinking/philosphy in the very heart of the program itself. Also, in the free association with scores of adult Freemasons (volunteers & professional staff) who run it. Men who are Masons are usually actively encouraged to be adult volunteers, and are given preference over others in leadership status.
As to the philosophy to be inculcated in the boys, one needs only to read the Handbook - either the 1910 version of the present one. It is quite obvious once objectively read. They are effectively grooming "junior Masons" on a wide scale. And there are appendent honor societies & college fraternitites which introduce those who were/are in the program to Masonry.
Why do you think that attaining the (highest) rank of Eagle Scout is so important..........when listed on a job application? It is showing that the young man has been effectively trained in Masonic philosopy, and is a ripe candidate for "advancement" in any organization.
Some of the proof of the pudding here is the fact that Scouting was banned from many parishes (and even whole dioceses) for many years, under threat of interdict. Why? Some wise pastors & bishop knew exactly what it was about, and forbid boys and men from membership.
Not one Catholic layman or clergyman was one of the original supporters, incorporators, or members of the National Council when it was founded in 1910. Interesting, no?
Finally, the honor society of Scouting - the Order of the Arrow - is literally based on the Blue Lodge of Masonry, with Three Degrees. Initiation and advancement is by secret ceremonies & oaths, which mimic the Masonic Degrees of the Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Master Mason. It was founded by Dr. E. Urner Goodman, a professional employee of the Bboy Scouts of America, and a Freemason from Phildelphia.
With all of this in mind, and the known fact that Scouting has attracted to it many homosexuals & pedophiles over its 95 year history........ya still want your kid to be a Boy Scout?
Wow, that is surprising!!!
I always thought that the Scouts, et al, were primarily for teaching children about camping, etc.
A Vatican-recognized university is offering a course in exorcism and demonic possession for a second year, concerned about the devil's lure _ particularly among young Italians.
Standing in solemn prayer, around 120 priests, lay people and theology students began the course that is intended to clear up misconceptions and understand what makes people turn to the occult.
The opening class of the "Exorcism and Prayer of Liberation" on Thursday at the Pontifical Academy Regina Apostolorum featured lectures about liturgical and spiritual aspects of Satanism and problems related to exorcism.
"The aim of this course is to express a clear vision of the phenomenon," said Italian Bishop Andrea Gemma, a leading exorcist who delivered the opening lecture.
"Exorcism ... is an important prayer of the church to help those who believe to be, or who really are suffering from a diabolic infestation," he told his audience.
Lectures, which will be broadcast via video to other pontifical institutes, focus on subjects that range from theological and historical aspects of Satanism to legal and medical issues.
The course is being offered for the second year, after an introductory session was held on February.
Pope Benedict XVI welcomed a large group of Italian exorcists who visited the Vatican on Sept. 14 and encouraged them to carry on in their work "in the service of the church."
Exorcism, the Roman Catholic rite in which demons are expelled from "possessed" persons, is usually administered by priests with the permission of a bishop.
"Devil's action is much more common than people may think," Gemma said, adding that he performs at least four exorcisms a week. He also said that youngsters were particularly at risk.
A former papal aide, the late Cardinal Jacques Martin, wrote in his memoirs that Pope John Paul II performed the exorcism rite in 1982, on an Italian woman who was screaming and writhing.
When the first course opened in February, Italy was gripped by a gruesome case in which members of a Satanic sect being investigated in the deaths of three people. Two people were later convicted in the murders, which occurred in woods near Milan.
In recent years, police have discovered sites in the Castelli hill towns outside Rome where they say Satanic cult followers hold black Masses.
The Rev. Gabriele Nanni, an exorcist and lecturer of the course, told The Associated Press that there are four widely accepted signs of possession, such as "speaking in unknown languages, showing a disproportionate physical strength beyond one's natural capacity, the repulsion to sacred things such as crucifix and prayers and knowledge of events that have happened far away, in terms of times and places." Some of the signs were depicted in the 1973 movie, "The Exorcist."
Students received a paper detailing a 10-point guide to recognize and prevent interest in the occult. It included a suggestion to parents to monitor whether their children were wearing strange pendants or T- shirts, if they listen to loud music on their home stereos, or watch too many horror movies.
Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 1323 Location: USA - east coast
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:45 pm Post subject:
"Wow, that is surprising!!!
I always thought that the Scouts, et al, were primarily for teaching children about camping, etc."
If that were the case, the program would be harmless - but that is merely a facade, sadly. A reading of Lord Robert baden Powell's 1907 book, "Scouting for Boys" provides a much different picture.
Powell, a retired British Army general, got interested in the idea of constructing a program for boys, after observing the detrimental effects of poverty and broken homes on urban boys. His program, upon which the Boy Scouts of America was essentially based, was one which used camping and the outdoors as teaching tools. He employed skills learned in his military experience of both organization, leadership development centered around a camping envirionment. The goal was to give a boy the moral backbone, mental awareness & self confidence to be a good citizen - and not to succumb to the temptations of the streets.
The basic idea was to get boys to teach and lead themselves, under adult male guidance. The boys would implement the program via "patrols" (of 5-8 boys) in an ideal troop of four patrols with a Sctoumaster as mentor. The boys would plan and run the meetings, as well as day hikes, weekend camping trips, and week/two week summer encampments.
By this method of boys leading boys they would learn self discipline, organization skills, how to get along with others, and how to lead fairly and effectively. The teaching of fair play in all things (rather then ruthless competition) was an essential element. Moral teaching of generalized Christian values was a basic foundation which all of the boys would swear to uphold. A clean mouth & clean mind were essential; the "golden rule" was a basic law. While not specifically religious, it upheld general religious moral teachings. A selfless motivation of "duty to neighbor" was paramount.
All of this is both brilliant and admirable in itself - and is highly effective (if the Scoutmaster does not percieve himself as General Patton). In 1909, the program was brought to the US by a Chicago businessman (a Mason) who, along with a bevy of Fraters across the country, saw this as a wonderful program of outreach to youth, restyled with a distinctly American and Masonic undertaste. A careful reading of the founding documents, and writings of the principal founders subtly disclose what was on their minds.
Who am I referring to? J.P. Morgan, John Wanamaker, John Jacob Astor, the scions of the Vanderbilt family, Vanderlip, John D. Rockefeller, Thomas Edison, Mortimer L. Schiff, Andrew Carnegie, Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt, (among many others), and a host of prominent Protestant clergymen.
The list of professional employees of the National Council of the BSA, with its HQ in NYC, along with the prominant volunteers & benefactors reads like a who's who of the membership of the nearby Masonic Lodges.
Two prominent writers of stories for boys - Ernest Thomson Seton and Daniel Carter Beard (both Masons) - each had their own pre-existing boys organizations, which were merged with the Boy Scouts of America in the first few years, swelling the membership. The chairman of the Boy Scout Foundation of Greater NY was none other then 33 degree Mason, Franklin Deleno Roosevelt himselt. Money flowed into the organization like water.
The organization had local Scout troops chartered by sporsoring organizations (churches & local civic groups) to distance themselves from any direct legal liability from any allegations of child abuse or other such litigation. One of the largest sponsors of Scout troops was the various local Masonic lodges across the nation, along with the associated "white" arms of the Rotary, Elks, etc. Protestant churches were also enthusiastic sponsors. As previously mentioned, recruitment among Catholics met with stiff resistance in some quarters. Pastors & Bishops forbid boys to join troops which met in Lodges & Protestant churches. And in many areas, Scout troops were not allowed in Catholic churches for many years.
The thing which brought the fledgling organization to national attention & swelled the membership was what the Scouts did during WWI. With very heavy (and carefully scripted) media coverage, the Scouts were seen as superpatriots, conducting War Bond dives, scrap metal & rubber drives, and voter registration drives. This pushed the idea that in Scouting a boy from any ethnic background would become a "true American".........in other words, fried in the great melting pot, and purged of all European ethnic, cultural (and Catholic) impediments to acceptance in bland, WASPish American society.
Parents signed their kids up in droves, in time doubling and tripling the national membership. Tremendous pressure was put upon Catholic parishes & bishops to accept Scouting - to sponsor troops. Eventually, many Catholic pastors & bishops caved in, further swelling the ranks. But the cave in was not that of merely letting some boys particiapte in some uniform wearing, flagwaving, camping club: it was about the institutionalizing of the heresy of Americanism firmly in the psyche of the youth.
In the American version of Scouting, one becomes a functioning Unitarian - in essense. The concept of Indifferentism is very firmly written in the program - and mandatory in the ideals of Scouting. It flows through all of the requirements for the various ranks leading to the coveted rank of Eagle Scout. Even in the 1910 Handbook, the organization preached the ideals of the coming New World Order - nearly a century away at that time - in promoting the ideals of one world government, extreme ecology consciouness, and "world brotherhood"' the latter being an extension of both religious Indifferentism and Globalism.
Considering the Masonic origins of the BSA, its Masonic and Transnationalist/Globalist organizers, and its subliminal organizational objectives, it goes hand in hand with any theorizing of the origins of the New World Order as going back at least to the beginning of the 20th century, if not more. _________________ Vade retro Drace! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!
Expert finds sculpture of Christ given to Italian friar
(ANSA) - Ancona, October 12 - An art expert has uncovered a sculpture of Christ on the Cross he claims Salvador Dali made to thank an Italian friar who exorcised him .
Armando Ginesi found the piece, measuring 60cm by 30cm, among the personal belongings of Gabriele Maria Berardi, a friar who died in 1984, in a storeroom in Rome .
He has shown the work to two Spanish experts on the Surrealist artist. They agreed that there are "sufficient stylistic reasons" to believe it was made by Dali.
According to Ginesi, Berardi told friends and relatives he exorcised Dali of a demon in 1947 during a spell in France. At the time Berardi had temporarily been suspended from his Italian religious order - apparently for failing to honour financial commitments. He did a variety of jobs, but continued to perform religious rites, including exorcisms .
The reported exorcism took place during a period in which Dali had broken away from Surrealism and started producing more realistic works, often with religious imagery .
Dali's sculpture of Christ on the Cross is a symbol of "piety filtered by a sense of the paradoxical," Ginesi explained .
"While the figure portrays the death and suffering that came before, the light colour of Jesus (which stands out on the dark brown cross) seems to allude to life and something positive." Dali may have given Berardi the sculpture in France following the friar's intervention or possibly later, during a visit to Italy, after Berardi had been readmitted to his order. The revelation of the exorcism presents a new twist in the life story of one of the 20th century's most eccentric and fascinating personalities. The artist had a tumultuous life. He was expelled from Art School, for example, for refusing to sit an exam on Raphael, on the grounds that he knew more about the subject than his teachers did .
2116 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, states:
"All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to "unveil" the future. Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens & lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, & recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, &, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honour, respect, & loving fear that we owe God Alone.
Thank, Thor, for the info on the Boy Scouts! We had our little guy in scouts a couple of years ago, and I couldn't stand it! I kept fighting the feeling that it was really occultic and unwholesome, yet thinking my imaginiation was in overdrive. Does anyone know if the Indian Guides are compatible with a traditional Catholic formation?
Thank, Thor, for the info on the Boy Scouts! We had our little guy in scouts a couple of years ago, and I couldn't stand it! I kept fighting the feeling that it was really occultic and unwholesome, yet thinking my imaginiation was in overdrive. Does anyone know if the Indian Guides are compatible with a traditional Catholic formation?
Padre Pio would receive much help from his guardian Angel to whom he had great devotion. In a letter to his spiritual father, he writes: "Saturday it seemed like the devils wanted to finish me off with their blows and I did not know what Saint to turn to. Then I called on my guardian Angel, who after making me wait a while was right there at last to help me, and with his angelic voice he sang hymns to the Divine Majesty. I complained to him for making me wait so long,......To punish him, so to speak, for being late, I tended to avoid looking at him in the face and to move away from him. But he, poor thing, came up to me almost in tears, so that I lifted up my eyes, looking him in the face. Then he told me, "I was always near you, dear friend. I always walk near you.........This love I have for you will not end...." Padre Pio lived in intimate contact with his Guardian Angel, who enabled him to translate letters written in Greek and French. He use to keep Padre Pio up at night in order to chant God's praises with him and to ease the pain Padre Pio suffered from the beatings he took from the demons. Thus his Angel became his help-mate, and would carry messages from him to souls far away, bringing them comfort and blessings.......... If ever there were a time we needed to invoke our guardians Angels my friends, it is Now! [[/b]
Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 1323 Location: USA - east coast
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:49 pm Post subject:
To_Jesus,_Through_Mary wrote:
cascade wrote:
Thank, Thor, for the info on the Boy Scouts! We had our little guy in scouts a couple of years ago, and I couldn't stand it! I kept fighting the feeling that it was really occultic and unwholesome, yet thinking my imaginiation was in overdrive. Does anyone know if the Indian Guides are compatible with a traditional Catholic formation?
I've never heard of the Indian Guides, until now.
What do they do?
Indian Guides? Who? Never heard of them, but will try to find out. _________________ Vade retro Drace! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!
As it is from the YMCA it is going to be of a somewhat similar - though not exactly the same as the Boy Scouts. The Indian Guides is not a well known or very large program. It is most likely similar to the Campfire Boys and other programs which began as offshoots by persons who left Scouting in the 1920's. _________________ Vade retro Drace! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!
Thanks for tips on Indian Guides. All I knew is that they are loosly affiliated with the YMCA. My husband takes our boys to their get-togethers. In this case, it is really loosly organised. They get together and do things like make repairs in the neighborhood. I think the affiliation with the Y is how they are able to use a campground for an overnight camping event twice a year. The cheif advantage to this little group is that our boys are never out of sight of their Daddy. But I wouldn't be surprised if there was an unsavory agenda somewhere there, simply because I've become so jaded and wary of everything we try to do for our our children! Anybody else sick of not even being able to allow their kids to ride their bikes around and about? But this is pretty off a very interesting and important larger topic. And I agree 100% that devotion to our Guardian Angels is perfect for these days. We are doing the 30-day devotion contained in TAN's St. Michael and the Angels. Talk about immediate results! This is a real gem of a resource for combatting our modern-day occult revival, offering great consolation and and practical assistance.
Interview with an Exorcist: Fr. James Lebar talks about ‘The Exorcism of Emily Rose’
The recent box office success of ‘The Exorcism of Emily Rose’ got people talking about the existence—or not—of the demonic. We spoke to Fr. James Lebar, exorcist for the archdiocese of New York, about the thorny theological issues raised by the movie, and where the line between fact and fiction really lies.
By Angelo Matera
Interview with an Exorcist: Fr. James Lebar talks about ‘The Exorcism of Emily Rose’
The recent box office success of ‘The Exorcism of Emily Rose’ got people talking about the existence—or not—of the demonic. We spoke to Fr. James Lebar, exorcist for the archdiocese of New York, about the thorny theological issues raised by the movie, and where the line between fact and fiction really lies.
By Angelo Matera
Humility Defeats Power of Devil, Says Vatican's Vicar
Course on Exorcism and Satanism Begins in Rome
ROME, OCT. 16, 2005 (Zenit.org).- The devil exists, but his power is not equal to God's, assured the opening speaker of a course on exorcism and Satanism.
Archbishop Angelo Comastri, the Pope's vicar general for Vatican City, inaugurated on Thursday the course "Exorcism and the Prayer of Deliverance," offered by the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University and the Socioreligious Research and Information Group. The course runs until Feb. 9.
"The devil exists, but omnipotent evil does not exist. There is only One who is infinite and he is infinitely good," stated Archbishop Comastri.
"There can be no doubt of the devil's existence," he continued, addressing 120 students, priests and seminarians, as well as students from other cities worldwide via a teleconference link.
"More than in the lives of sinners, his existence is seen in the lives of saints," the prelate said. "Read the lives of the saints. All have had to combat the devil. Specifically, the devil's existence is seen in the life of Jesus Our Lord.
"The devil is a creature who was created good by God, but has become evil by rebelling against God. It is essential to remember this truth, not to trivialize the devil but to place him in the right context."
The vicar general explained that, although the work of salvation is a reality, the prince of this world "can still act because Christ's work of salvation has not yet been accomplished in our lives, called continually to decide for or against him."
"When freedom becomes a slave of Satan, man suffers grave wounds in his life," he added. That is why "Jesus gave his apostles the power to expel demons with the power of his redeeming blood, with the power of love that he introduced in history through his death on the cross."
Humility
According to the archbishop, "we make use of this power to expel the demons. This power is real and must be taken seriously, but it must be exercised with great humility, avoiding hasty analyses or degenerating into magical arts of liberation, remembering always that it is Jesus who liberates, through the power of prayer that arises from faith, and through the power of the sacraments of faith."
Humility Defeats Power of Devil, Says Vatican's Vicar
Course on Exorcism and Satanism Begins in Rome
ROME, OCT. 16, 2005 (Zenit.org).- The devil exists, but his power is not equal to God's, assured the opening speaker of a course on exorcism and Satanism.
Archbishop Angelo Comastri, the Pope's vicar general for Vatican City, inaugurated on Thursday the course "Exorcism and the Prayer of Deliverance," offered by the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University and the Socioreligious Research and Information Group. The course runs until Feb. 9.
"The devil exists, but omnipotent evil does not exist. There is only One who is infinite and he is infinitely good," stated Archbishop Comastri.
"There can be no doubt of the devil's existence," he continued, addressing 120 students, priests and seminarians, as well as students from other cities worldwide via a teleconference link.
"More than in the lives of sinners, his existence is seen in the lives of saints," the prelate said. "Read the lives of the saints. All have had to combat the devil. Specifically, the devil's existence is seen in the life of Jesus Our Lord.
"The devil is a creature who was created good by God, but has become evil by rebelling against God. It is essential to remember this truth, not to trivialize the devil but to place him in the right context."
The vicar general explained that, although the work of salvation is a reality, the prince of this world "can still act because Christ's work of salvation has not yet been accomplished in our lives, called continually to decide for or against him."
"When freedom becomes a slave of Satan, man suffers grave wounds in his life," he added. That is why "Jesus gave his apostles the power to expel demons with the power of his redeeming blood, with the power of love that he introduced in history through his death on the cross."
Humility
According to the archbishop, "we make use of this power to expel the demons. This power is real and must be taken seriously, but it must be exercised with great humility, avoiding hasty analyses or degenerating into magical arts of liberation, remembering always that it is Jesus who liberates, through the power of prayer that arises from faith, and through the power of the sacraments of faith."
It is interesting to note that it is the virtue of humility which repels Satan the most, because, of all the Virtues of Our Blessed Mother, her humility is the one that is most emphasized.
And of all Our Lord's Holy Saints, His Blessed Mother & Our Blessed Mother is the one whom Satan fears the most(after God Himself).
Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 1323 Location: USA - east coast
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:16 pm Post subject: Indian Guides
Actually, I know almost nothing about the Indian Guides - though I had heard ot it somewhere years ago. It is one of those small imitations of the Boy Scouts, that never really got anywhere.
The only thing good which I can readily see is that the father is with his son. This is good - as he can see who and what his son is exposed to and taught.
Now as to the YMCA, it has a very long history - as a Protestant organization, originally designed for proselytizing Catholics, and those who were non religious. Granted it is not that way now (and ceased to be overtly religious decades ago), but there are many histories of Catholic pastors and Bishops warning boys and men NOT to go to the Y - not even to see a boxing match or basketball game. this was due to fear of Protestant influence on the young kids. _________________ Vade retro Drace! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!
All times are GMT - 5 Hours Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4Next
Page 1 of 4
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
An article on the topic is available at the following link:
YIKES!