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Sock · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 1637

Someone sent along this photo from a recent baptism
at Sacred Heart Cathedral in Rochester, New York with
the description that the priest skims the babyâ€™s butt through
the font three times to correlate to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Thatâ€™s different.

Mon May 23, 2005
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Sock · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 1637

littlepaddle · † Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 577

the priest appears to be Fr.Joseph Marcoux. Do a web search on him.
http://www.newoxfordreview.org/2002/dec02/michaelsrose.html
Crisis also quotes Kellenyi's classmate Fr. Joseph Marcoux as saying, "I certainly never experienced a gay subculture at Louvain. I never saw anything like that." Like what? Fr. Marcoux, ordained in 2001, and now Assistant Pastor at Sacred Heart Cathedral in Rochester, N.Y., himself conducts gay/lesbian workshops. For example, according to the newsletter of the Diocese of Rochester's Gay and Lesbian Ministry, Fr. Marcoux conducted one last year at Our Lady of Peace entitled "Gay and Lesbian People in the Church."

sgnofcross · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 1:54 pm Post subject:

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servitium · Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 7809

EddieArent · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 4:18 pm Post subject:

Here's a flashback: http://www.churchbuilding.com/interactive/swf/html/sn-baptism.html

sgnofcross · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:

Servitium said:

littlepaddle · † Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 577

I sent this picture to the new pope. any bets on a response? Thumbs Up

sgnofcross · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:46 pm Post subject:

Littlepaddle said:

littlepaddle · † Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 577

Pope's E-Mail Address

The Vatican has set up an e-mail address for the new pope. It is: benedictxvi@vatican.va

AskStPhilomena · † Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 3362

Here in Brisbane, "inclusive baptisms" caused a small stir, but as usual, nothing was done to repair the damage.....
http://www.cathnews.com/news/411/129.php

AskStPhilomena · † Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 3362

pjohnson · Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 129

Though unworthy of comment, I can foresee an ongoing debate until we have a reliable pope in the Seat of Peter again...a vigorous debate between "liberal" and "conservative" Novus Ordinarians as to whether the left buttock should be dipped or the right buttock. As for the "moderates", they should be well pleased with both buttocks being dipped simultaneously.

Perhaps this Novus Ordo presbyter is simply doing his best to "bring up the rear" as he sees the continuing and precipitous decline in vocations and the real estate boom with regard to Traditional churches and chapels being sold here and abroad. If perchance, he should accede to the Novus Ordo Chair, let us look for him to take the name Gluteus Maximus I.

servitium · Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 7809

Am I reading this thread correctly? From what I gather there are several posters who feel that somehow the leader of the world's over 1 billion Catholics, who receives thousands of emails, letters and phone calls every day is supposed to personally respond to an email with a pic of an irregular baptism?

As I've stated on another thread, until Benedict proves otherwise we will treat him with the respect he deserves. If you don't think he deserves such, we're probably not going to get along very well.

Unlike other forums, AQ doesn't rely on donations, advertising or anyone's half-assed opinions... including mine. It's not a gabfest. It's basically an information clearing house with the mission of promoting traditional Catholicism and shedding light on the many problems withing our church. If I have to, I'll go back to three other people (and timwhit) besides myself posting articles.

Please adjust your thinking accordingly.

sgnofcross · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 1:44 am Post subject:

Servitium,

How is it being disrespectful to send a complaint to the Vatican about abuses within the various churches? If the Bishop doesn't get it under control, who do you go to next? The Vatican of course.

It is within Canon Law that the faithful have a right to complain and take it all the way to the Vatican if need be if these abuses aren't stopped. Of course it is to be in a respectful manner and I don't think anyone here has advocated being disrepectful to the Pope.

I'm a little perplexed at the delayed anger. This post was originally on May 23, you made some comments on May 24th, after the fact of some people advocating writing to the Pope, but tonight you seem very angry and upset. It seems that you got angry at another post, then immediately came over here to this post to voice more anger.

I'm also a little concerned about what to say anymore in this forum. I feel that we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. IF this isn't a discussion/gabfest group, why are we even talking with one another in here? Why is it okay for you to voice complaints/concerns, but no one else?

If we have to tiptoe around people in here perhaps it is best that you resort to keeping only three people to staff your forum. If you think our opinions are half-assed, I frankly don't know why anyone would want to stick around to share them.
Even though you included yourself in that statement, I see that you often give your opinion, which I respect. I haven't considered anyone's opinion half assed here, even if I don't agree with it. I think everyone has a unique position to share and gives us all some real insight into the pulse of the Catholic people today and how things are effecting them.

I have appreciated your efforts as moderator of this group, but
why would Angelqueen rely on donations or advertising? It's a free service, doesn't cost a dime:

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/

I would like to close that one of the problems we are facing in the Church today is the fact that not many have been willing to speak out and demand of the Vatican that wrongs be righted. I am disappointed that I seem to have found the same mindset on Angelqueen. Please instruct me as to how I might unsub from this group if my half assed opinions aren't wanted here.

servitium · Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 7809

The post wasn't directed at you sgnofcross, but since you have questions I'll answer them.

pjohnson · Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 129

Servitium,

We've all seen so many abuses over the years, sometimes our first reaction to the latest one we come across is anger/indignation... and rightfully so. I decided, in my response, to opt for a little humor/satire to diffuse the anger. Chesterton was a master at drilling to the point by using the same device on occasion.

I understand and appreciate the very difficult task you have in supplying this forum for all who participate. Maybe your anger was really to have been directed at those individuals and that system (which calls itself "catholic") that continues to vomit out these vile fruits and sacrilege.

I actually came across this particular article/photograph through a link on Novus Ordo Watch website...

God Bless you in the struggle we (including SgnofCross) share.

sgnofcross · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 1:37 pm Post subject:

Servitium,

I have run a forum before and I am aware of the time that is spent dedicated to running it. I truly appreciate where you are coming from in that respect.

Even if the post wasn't directed at me, I was included in the people who encouraged others to write to the Vatican.

What I don't understand is why your homepage says this under
Forum:

Discussion with other Catholics in our lively forum

It appears if that discussion gets lively then we are called upon to not voice our opinions or they get called half assed!

I said previously:

" I haven't considered anyone's opinion half assed here, even if I don't agree with it. I think everyone has a unique position to share and gives us all some real insight into the pulse of the Catholic people today and how things are effecting them."

You replied:

If you "respect" my opinion even when even when it's half-assed then that's your problem. My opinion is to not respect half-assed opinions."

WHO is to say whose opinion is half assed? What you consider as a half assed opinion may not be someone else's viewpoint. Someone else may consider it very relevant. However, since this is your forum, I guess you alone would get to decide that.

I would like to discuss some rules you have in your Help and Information section:

2. Don't harass other Catholics personally about which rite they adhere to.
Regardless of whether one attends Novus Ordo, Society Masses, the indult, Eastern Rite etc. - we are all Catholics, and there is enough carping and consternation elsewhere on the web if one chooses to engage in such. Accusing others of being schismatics, heretics etc. is a no-go. This forum is intended so that people can feel safe in discussing their views regarding the church without being set upon.

I don't feel particularly safe now expressing my views without being set upon.

Then you have this as your first line in that section:

"Moderation is easy going, for the most part non existent."

1. Follow our catechism.
We all know how to treat each other. Name calling, being overly judgemental or acrimonious etc. goes against what we are taught, so we should avoid such. Of course arguments are unavoidable and we are sinful humans, but we should strive to be civil and decent.

Don't you think you might be overstepping your own rules when you say things like,

"Most opinions here and everywhere else are half-assed."

You also said:

"It probably sounds harsh, but the Americanist "I repsect everyone's opinion and have come to yak away freely" is not necessarily a prudent formula."

Ending with:
"Forgive me if I've offended you sngofcross. Please continue posting articles and speak freely."

All is forgiven, but Servitium, I honestly don't know why in one instance you tell me what I said about respecting everyone's opinion ( which is in your rules) and to yak away freely is not a prudent formula and in the next breath you tell me to continue to speak freely.

I will ask your forgiveness as well if I have offended you in any way.

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pjohnson · Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 129

If there is a storage bin somewhere for the term "half-assed", I think we just about emptied it on this string :>) There again, harking back to the "baptism" photo... that phrase somehow fits in... butt, I hesitate to say more. Somebody chuckle, and let's get on with "the good fight", or I'm gonna call "Fr." Stan... he's really close to the "Great One", you know.

Pax Christi

servitium · Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 7809

sgnofcross · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 3:24 pm Post subject:

Thanks Servitium and the feeling is mutual!

P.J., please don't call in Father Stan. I hate rap music so much that I don't care how close to the "Great One" he is. Laughing

pjohnson · Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 129

Let's pray for one another often. I sincerely appreciate all the hard work and thoughtfulness you put into the forum.

God Bless!

Phillip

pjohnson · Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 129

Hey... I wouldn't call in Presbyter Stan unless I could get a few ales in him and talk some Catholic reality into him :>)

Sock · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 1637

Good job, guys!

There's not a dry eye in this joint.

How 'bout a nice group ((((((((((((((((((hug)))))))))))))))))))))))))) and a little Sinatra?

Try a little tenderness

sgnofcross · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject:

Sure, why not! Hugs and prayers for everyone.

(((((((((((the group)))))))))))))))))))))

Jean · † Joined: 21 Feb 2005 Posts: 3148 Location: Canada

The saddest thing about this ***Baptism*** is that it can easily be construed as a full-blown SACRILEGE !!!!!.. and that Poor , Innocent Soul has NOT, indeed been Baptized! What a SHAME, and what an INSULT to GOD!!!...I strongly doubt that that 'priest' has even been Properly Ordained into the Catholic Priesthood in the first place!!! When will this NONSENSE END??

pjohnson · Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 129

See 'ya folks... I've enjoyed blogging with you, but have to move on.