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"By the way, word recently reached this office that Pope Benedict informed Alice Von Hildebrand in a private audience in March that his motu proprio on the universal indult for the return of the traditional Mass will be released on the Feast of St. Pius V, May 5, 2007. Weâ€™ll seeâ€¦" (This rumor was first released by Amy Wellborn)

This quotation is from a Remnant article on another subject. The article itself is interesting, looking at the state of the Church, including abominations on one side and some hopeful signs from the Holy Father on the other. (The rumor is mentioned in the final paragraph of the "Extra! Extra!" section.

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et cum spirit 220 · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject:

What happened to April 15th? Oh, that's right. It went the way of Holy Thursday, November 17th, etc., etc.

Wessex · † Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 918 Location: Guildford, UK

Was she the lady in The Sound of Music yodelling across the Tyrol?

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PrayTheRosary · † Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 505

May 5th is also the First Saturday in May, and there were 2.5 million Rosaries offered to the Blessed Mother for the freeing of the Latin Mass. So, maybe...

Aardvark · Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Posts: 667

Alice Von Hildebrand is a very reputable person. If she's really saying that the Pope told her this (and that's a big "if," of course), then mark your calendars.

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Haurietis Aquas · † Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 2343 Location: Mid-West

Okay, people ... stop. Think about this.

If the Holy Father intends to release the MP, why would he choose Alice Von Hildebrand as his announcer?

How did he do this? Perhaps, "Pisst ... let me tell you a little secret ..." ? Rolling Eyes

But, let's suppose he did tell Mrs. VH his super-duper top secret plans - the plans he has not even told his own Cardinals and Bishops - why would she feel free to tell anyone, least of all Amy Wellborn?

Are you people for real? You believe that the Holy Father confided in Mrs. VH, this incredibly volatile information so that she could tell her blogger friend who in turn could post it on the Internet? Seriously?

I mean no disrespect to Mrs. Von Hildebrand or Ms. Wellborn. This is just ridiculous.
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tradvox · † Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 365

We want motu!

We want motu!

We want motu!

pascendi · † Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 7071 Location: San Diego

And after nine rounds of Motu Proprio
I was losing hope and was despairin' again
Then after ten rounds with Motu Proprioooooooooooooo

I lost count and started hoping again

Who's Amy Wellborn?
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FranzJosf · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject:

I agree it's a stretch, that's why I put Rumor Alert.

But I do find the internet and these rumors interesting. It will be interesting see how far this it goes. Will this rumor get reported in other places besides the Remnant? Will a journalist call her and ask for a statement or confirmation or denial? Or will it merely evaporate? Normally these rumors have no name attached; had there been no name attached, I don't think the Remnant would have mentioned it.
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Otremer6 · † Joined: 18 Dec 2005 Posts: 4125

I like all the news coverage and the increasing accuracy of secular reporters who's language is becoming "friendlier" at least to restoration, coupled with quite a few positive stories about Catholicism from them in general.

It's worthwhile to milk this and it will consequently become harder for Bishops adamantly opposed to Catholicism to do it, while those who are more indifferent may be swayed.

Ultimately, this should result in greater piety, longer confession lines, a return to penances of reparation, votive offerings, people putting their trust in God and not the god-state.
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FranzJosf · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject:

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pascendi · † Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 7071 Location: San Diego

Ah, it's just one of those fan club thingies. Alright.
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Otremer6 · † Joined: 18 Dec 2005 Posts: 4125

I think she's one of those bloggers tame enough to be put on display on "All Things Considered" or even be quoted by the Tablet.
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FranzJosf · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject:

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Wessex · † Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 918 Location: Guildford, UK

...... and about whom was she writing?

Ottaviani

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Otremer6 · † Joined: 18 Dec 2005 Posts: 4125

That was a good book... read it a long time ago.

Hildebrand was a great defender of the Church in his life, he certainly woke me up with Trojan Horse in the City of God, his phenomenology notwithstanding.
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CreoleCatholic · Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 27 Location: Louisiana

The Motu is perhaps the most-anticipated event since the birth of our Lord. How long did the Jews wait?

Amemus Athanasium · † Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 2566

By releasing it on May 5, the traditional Feast Day of Pope Pius Vth, Benedict XVI would implicitly acknowledge the continuing validity of the traditional, passed-down Roman Calendar before the wreckovations of Bugnini.
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pascendi · † Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 7071 Location: San Diego

Otremer6 · † Joined: 18 Dec 2005 Posts: 4125

Doctor von Hildebrand is a significant Catholic voice out there in the wilderness of Academia. She has had many students over the years, written a lot and influenced people for the better.

I can only lament the fact that there are so few with her insights and good sense.

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I see it a bit differently, as a distraction for Faithful Catholics, or a means of manipulating them. Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with everything you said, not by a long shot, because no matter what is done, there will always be a measure of good effect snatched from it. Examples of such are abundant, but for now, just to assume it so.

But it seems to me to be mostly a carrot in front of a horse, and that the whole Motu preoccupation is merely that. Imho, it is a mistake in the first place for anyone to have allowed the traditional liturgy of the Latin rite to become the decisive battleground for the Catholic Faith in our age, and I believe that at the root, the enemies of the Church are pleased that it has, for the most part, become so. The reason I believe this, obviously, is because are problems lie first in terms of damage done to what we believe rather than being first a problem of how we practice. Our liturgical degradation has only served to compliment a much weakened strength of Catholic belief among people, laity and clergy alike. Certainly a return to proper practice is necessary, highly necessary, and must absolutely be included in the complete package of Catholic restoration. But the ultimate battleground it isn't.

To make it absolutely clear: if it happens, it would be a good thing. Not the best, but better than nothing. Not relief, but actually, more of a cross than anything else, because it would require those who anticipated it, and waved it in everyone's faces, to get their hands dirty and get to work if it ever happens. Pardon my doubt, but I'll bet you the farm that those who crowed about it coming will be the least help when it comes time to put the MP to good use. That's going to requires some gnads and some hardcore suffering, abuse, and detached concern. Because if we were to get the liturgy back, in no matter how minimal a manner, it's going to become obvious to everyone that the real fight all along was over what we're supposed to have BELIEVED all along.
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...and BTW, I'm going on record as laughing it off as another subito rumor. Time will prove whether it was wise.

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jake · † Joined: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 1750

I'll diary this thread for June 1st, then.

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This is a good thread not to lose track of...
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Yep and the latest rumor is sometime by the end of the year. Good Grief. Rolling Eyes

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