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et cum spirit 220 Moderator
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: Nun reprimanded for escorting women to abortion clinic |
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Nun reprimanded for escorting women to abortion clinic
Chicago Tribune Breaking News
Manya Brachear
November 3, 2009
Link to original
As Roman Catholic religious women brace for a Vatican investigation and the abortion battle reaches new heights, an order of nuns based in Wisconsin has reprimanded a Chicago sister for volunteering as an escort at an abortion clinic.
The Sinsinawa Dominican order announced on Tuesday that Sister Donna Quinn reportedly escorted patients into a Chicago area abortion clinic.
"After investigating the allegation, congregation leaders have informed Sr. Donna that her actions are in violation of her profession as a Dominican religious," Sister Patricia Mulcahey, head of the Sinsinawa Dominicans, said in a statement. "They regret that her actions have created controversy and resulted in public scandal."
Quinn could not immediately be reached for comment.
According to the statement, the order is "working with Sr. Donna to resolve the matter appropriately." |
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tradca57 †
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| Thanks, ECS, for the follow up article. |
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restorationist
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: nun reprimanded |
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| "working to resolve the matter appropriately" that's spin for "dont get caught doing it again" |
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apocalypta †
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:42 pm Post subject: Chicago too |
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Why all the bad stuff in Chicago? "I don't know nuttin' " will probably be sisters stock reply, along with all her friends. Now she is unavailable for comment. Poor misguided woman needs prayers  _________________ I have dipt my wings in Truths' emerald spray.... |
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Land of the Irish †
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: nun reprimanded |
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| restorationist wrote: | | "working to resolve the matter appropriately" that's spin for "dont get caught doing it again" |
Yes, about the same as Archbishop Niederauer having a talk with Pelosi. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Archbishop Donna Whirled is allowing Pelosi to receive Holy Communion in D.C. All these bishops are washing their hands of the innocent unborns' blood. _________________ TRADIDI QUOD ET ACCEPI |
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Seraphim
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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"Reprimanded?"
Last time I checked, active cooperation in an abortion was latae sententiae excommunication. _________________ St. Michael the Archangel: Pray for Us!! |
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papalCOUNT
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:23 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Seraphim that this nun is by virtue of her actions is excommunicated automatically. As the above writer makes clear it is sinful and scandalous and an excommunicatable offense to knowing assist in an abortion procedure. She leads these women to the slaughterhouse.
She is a mess. She is excommunicated. Let's pray for the poor mis-directed soul and others like her.
audemus dicere _________________ PapalCount |
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sgnofcross †
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| Seraphim wrote: | "Reprimanded?"
Last time I checked, active cooperation in an abortion was latae sententiae excommunication. |
You're absolutely right. It sure is. |
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fidei
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| If I had my way I'd be doing more than reprimanding her. She is a disgrace! |
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TKGS †
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| Patricia Mulcahey wrote: | | After investigating the allegation, congregation leaders have informed Sr. Donna that her actions are in violation of her profession as a Dominican religious. |
It is revealing that Donna Quinn seemed not to be aware of this before receiving a "counselling statement". |
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et cum spirit 220 Moderator
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Chicago too |
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| apocalypta wrote: | Why all the bad stuff in Chicago? "I don't know nuttin' " will probably be sisters stock reply, along with all her friends. Now she is unavailable for comment. Poor misguided woman needs prayers  |
The activities of this so-called "nun" took place in the Joliet diocese, and her order's is HQ is in the Madison, WI diocese, so the Chicago archdiocese doesn't have anything to do with any of this. Of course, the Chicago archdiocese has plenty of its own problems to deal with, some of which are even worse. |
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T. Patrick †
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:49 am Post subject: Re: Chicago too |
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| et cum spirit 220 wrote: | | apocalypta wrote: | Why all the bad stuff in Chicago? "I don't know nuttin' " will probably be sisters stock reply, along with all her friends. Now she is unavailable for comment. Poor misguided woman needs prayers  |
The activities of this so-called "nun" took place in the Joliet diocese, and her order's is HQ is in the Madison, WI diocese, so the Chicago archdiocese doesn't have anything to do with any of this. Of course, the Chicago archdiocese has plenty of its own problems to deal with, some of which are even worse. |
What is the bishop for Madison doing about this? |
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et cum spirit 220 Moderator
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: |
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I think it would be a great idea to pose that question to Bsp. Morlino himself:
Bishop Robert C. Morlino
Diocese of Madison
Bishop O'Connor Catholic Pastoral Center
702 South High Point Road
P.O. Box 44983
Madison, Wisconsin 53719
Phone: 608-821-3000 |
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munda cor meum
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject: reprimand |
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Reprimand?
What, telling her not to get caught again?
It just sometimes seems that the liberal dissenters continue on with impunity. BUT God is not mocked and the liberal orders that have lost their charism are dying off. These 'dominicans' will die off and their replacement in the Nashville and Ann Arbor true Dominicans are moving forward, hardly able to keep up with their growth.
And this "nun" will one day meet her Maker and no specious reason will fly. We must pray for her conversion and of others like her for great is their responsibility before God. _________________ mission of the laity: evangelize the world! |
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| No state of emergency to see here. |
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et cum spirit 220 Moderator
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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In a just world, this thing calling itself a nun would be charged with felony murder. Bishop Morlino and Bishop Sartain MUST speak out AND act against it and the "order" that aids and abets her while paying lip service to the Church. |
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Nun decides to suspend activism for abortion rights after a rebuke by her order
By Manya A. Brachear
Tribune reporter
November 4, 2009
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-nun-reprimanded-04-nov04,0,6915847.story
For decades, Sister Donna Quinn has championed the rights of women to use contraception, seek ordination and end unwanted pregnancies.
The Dominican nun has picketed for abortion rights in Washington, petitioned the pope for a female archbishop and escorted women into abortion clinics.
But as the Vatican turns up scrutiny of the nation's nuns and U.S. Roman Catholic bishops refuse to support universal health care if it covers abortion, Quinn has put her crusade on hold.
"I want to be clear that this is my decision," she said in a statement Tuesday, saying she would suspend her role as a peacekeeper outside the ACU Health Clinic in Hinsdale. "Respect for women's moral agency is of critical importance to me, and I look forward to continuing to dialogue with our congregation on these matters as a way of informing my actions as well as educating the community."
On Tuesday, the Wisconsin-based Sinsinawa Dominican order announced that Quinn had been reprimanded for escorting patients into a Hinsdale clinic that provides abortions.
"After investigating the allegation, congregation leaders have informed Sister Donna that her actions are in violation of her profession," Sister Patricia Mulcahey, head of the Sinsinawa Dominicans, said in a statement. "They regret that her actions have created controversy."
Quinn said the order's announcement only served to stir more controversy. A private meeting to discuss her position had been set for later this month, she said.
"I am disappointed that the process agreed upon was circumvented," she said. "As a peacekeeper, my goal is to enable women to enter a reproductive health clinic in dignity and without fear of being physically assaulted. ... I am very worried that the publicity around my presence will lead to violations of every woman's right to privacy and expose them to further violence."
The sudden rebuke highlights the tension in America's women's religious communities, now targeted by two sweeping Vatican investigations. Quinn's activism was no secret. But in years past, Dominican leaders have come to her defense.
The primary example was in 1984 when the Vatican instructed religious orders to dismiss nuns who refused to retract their claim that Catholics held a range of opinions on abortion rights. Instead, the leaders talked to Vatican officials and resolved the issue with no ousters of nuns.
But that was a different era, said Sister Beth Rindler, co-coordinator of the National Coalition of American Nuns, a group of nuns who push for women's ordination, gay rights, abortion rights and an end to war.
"We're standing with her very much. We consider her one of our prophets," said Rindler, a Franciscan Sister of the Poor. "She's standing with women who she believes can make good moral decisions."
But Mary-Louise Kurey, director of the Chicago archdiocese's Respect Life Office, said Quinn's efforts to shield women from abortion opponents at clinics pose harm. "I feel really sad because these are individuals who are trying to help women and those actions are profoundly misguided," Kurey said.
Quinn showed no signs of changing her ways Tuesday.
"I take this opportunity to urge those demonstrating against women who are patients at the Hinsdale Clinic, whom I have seen emotionally as well as physically threaten women, to cease those activities," she said. "I would never have had to serve as a peacekeeper had not they created a war against women." |
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Holy Souls
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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"Sister Quinn" said:
| Quote: | | "I am disappointed that the process agreed upon was circumvented," she said. "As a peacekeeper, my goal is to enable women to enter a reproductive health clinic in dignity and without fear of being physically assaulted. ... I am very worried that the publicity around my presence will lead to violations of every woman's right to privacy and expose them to further violence." |
And what about the violence shown to all the unborn children who are aborted in the facility? She would do better kneeling down in prayer praying for the mothers who are thinking of aborting their unborn children and escorting them to a pro-life counseling center rather than into that evil place. Pray for her. _________________ Remember to pray for the Holy Souls in Purgatory |
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The moral theologians teach us that, in certain circumstances, it is morally permissible to pray for someone's death.
| Rev. Joseph F. Delany wrote: | | Furthermore one may without sin go so far in the detestation of wrongdoing as to wish that which for its perpetrator is a very well-defined evil, yet under another aspect is a much more signal good. For instance, it would be lawful to pray for the death of a perniciously active heresiarch with a view to putting a stop to his ravages among the Christian people. |
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | "I take this opportunity to urge those demonstrating against women who are patients at the Hinsdale Clinic, whom I have seen emotionally as well as physically threaten women, to cease those activities," she said. "I would never have had to serve as a peacekeeper had not they created a war against women." | Is it war against women to slice up a baby inside a woman's womb or suck its brains out with a vacuum? Is this emotionally threatening not to mention physically threatening to women? Aw c'mon, Donna, you know you have put yourself outside the Church with your nonsensical remarks. We pray that you will get down on your knees and seek the forgiveness of Almighty God before it's too late.
How did this woman become a nun in the first place? _________________ Pre-Vatican II Catholic-16 yrs Catholic schooling. |
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| phaley wrote: | | How did this woman become a nun in the first place? |
| Rev. Joseph F. Delany provided by Savonarola wrote: | | Furthermore one may without sin go so far in the detestation of wrongdoing as to wish that which for its perpetrator is a very well-defined evil, yet under another aspect is a much more signal good. For instance, it would be lawful to pray for the death of a perniciously active heresiarch with a view to putting a stop to his ravages among the Christian people. |
For a little heartbreaking insight on both points scroll down this page: http://www.sinsinawa.org/09_News/Sister_Obituaries.htm
What they were or at least were capable of being and has been destroyed is heartbreaking.
And that there have been so many deaths in 09, especially in the last couple months, given how small the remaining number appears to be, also gives pause.
May God have mercy. |
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fidei
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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I've said it before - many of these so-called nuns are part of a sisterhhood of Satan.
Everything they say and do is anti Catholic. Their only interest in life is promoting "rights" and "power" and the destruction of the Catholic Church and the family.
They are a disgrace. They should be excommunicated, deprived of ANY Church money or property and publicly disowned by the Church.
Does that sound uncharitable? Tell that to the babies this vile woman has helped murder. Tell that to the many children these vile nuns have led away from the faith. |
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restorationist
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:15 pm Post subject: reprimanding of nun |
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| fidei wrote: | I've said it before - many of these so-called nuns are part of a sisterhhood of Satan.
Everything they say and do is anti Catholic. Their only interest in life is promoting "rights" and "power" and the destruction of the Catholic Church and the family.
They are a disgrace. They should be excommunicated, deprived of ANY Church money or property and publicly disowned by the Church.
Does that sound uncharitable? Tell that to the babies this vile woman has helped murder. Tell that to the many children these vile nuns have led away from the faith. |
And just where is Rome on this matter? It's usual silence of course |
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et cum spirit 220 Moderator
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: reprimanding of nun |
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| restorationist wrote: | | And just where is Rome on this matter? It's usual silence of course |
C'mon! If the Vatican were to issue a formal statement on every errant nun or priest in the world, they wouldn't have time to do anything else, including sleep. |
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You know, usually in this kind of thread there are a lot of comments about the lack of a habit as a further disgrace. Looking at her photo, I did feel that of course, as women age, the habit hides some of that and makes them look a little better... but would you really want to see her in the habit of St. Dominic? That would be more painful, almost. _________________ Sweet Heart of Mary, be my salvation! |
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et cum spirit 220 Moderator
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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For the habit/no habit contrast, check out the link that KG provided in his post. http://www.sinsinawa.org/09_News/Sister_Obituaries.htm
The difference is startling. The "before" pictures are clearly nuns; the "after" pics could be your aunt or grandma or any old lady. Sad, indeed. |
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| et cum spirit 220 wrote: |
In a just world, this thing calling itself a nun would be charged with felony murder. Bishop Morlino and Bishop Sartain MUST speak out AND act against it and the "order" that aids and abets her while paying lip service to the Church. |
This is probably an off the wall question, (and maybe not?), but if these two Bishops were not to speak out and address this issue (assuming they know of the situation), then would they also be considered complicit in assisting abortions, thus be considered excommunicated latae sententiae? _________________ WWSPPXD: What would St Pope Pius X do? |
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et cum spirit 220 Moderator
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know for sure, but I would think that a Bishop could be acting properly if he were to handle such a situation quietly, if he truly believed that his actions would avoid further public scandal. |
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| Quote: | | The primary example was in 1984 when the Vatican instructed religious orders to dismiss nuns who refused to retract their claim that Catholics held a range of opinions on abortion rights. Instead, the leaders talked to Vatican officials and resolved the issue with no ousters of nuns. |
1984?
Isn't that the same year JP II "modified" the Lateran Concordat.
And I always thought George Orwell was crazy. _________________ TRADIDI QUOD ET ACCEPI |
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She may be a "sister" who like Cardinal Bernardin's gay ministries and World Parliament of All Religions, inspired pseudo-Christian Mr Barack Hussein Obama!
She should be condemned to life penitence in a Spanish cloistered abbey or else be expelled with tar and feathers. _________________ Cessent iurgia maligna, cessent lites. |
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| et cum spirit 220 wrote: | | The difference is startling. The "before" pictures are clearly nuns; the "after" pics could be your aunt or grandma or any old lady. Sad, indeed. |
I have to fight back tears looking at the pictures. Back then girls (and I use the term intentionally) entering a convent were extremely sheltered. Rightfully so, they, who were to be brides of Christ, were pure and innocent, with big capital P and I. Just as with children, someone with ill intent could easily take advantage of them. So just as the corruption of children is heartbreaking, the corruption of nuns that happened back then breaks my heart. Those pictures really drive it home for me. They certainly are responsible for their sins, and the wreckage they are responsible for including the poor murdered babies break my heart too. But what started it all was a terrible crime too. The tragedy of it all has just so many facets it just leaves the Greeks in the dust.
| Amemus Athanasium wrote: | | She should be condemned to life penitence in a Spanish cloistered abbey |
That would actually be an inexpressibly charitable and merciful to all those remaining alive in this order (and many others) of nuns. |
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| kstewskis wrote: | | This is probably an off the wall question, (and maybe not?), but if these two Bishops were not to speak out and address this issue (assuming they know of the situation), then would they also be considered complicit in assisting abortions, thus be considered excommunicated latae sententiae? |
No. |
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