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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:28 am    Post subject: Obama's Gulag Plans Exposed by Liberal Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6-4wPVwNEM

Rachel Maddow's (a liberal) commentary about Obama’s plans for prolonged detention of people who are THREATS is SCARY. Obama wants to construct a law so he can defy the constitution!!! The movie “Minority Report” (where Tom Cruise arrested people for crimes they would commit in the future) in action indeed!

We all know whom the Obama admin considers "threats"...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a colleague who works with an organization that does education for Homeland Security and the military. She is a Protestant of a rather fundamentalist variety. She told me that she felt that she and I should both be concerned about the "watch list" because Obama is not friendly to either of the religious groups to which we belong. This is plenty scary.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have a colleague who works with an organization that does education for Homeland Security and the military. She is a Protestant of a rather fundamentalist variety. She told me that she felt that she and I should both be concerned about the "watch list" because Obama is not friendly to either of the religious groups to which we belong. This is plenty scary.


Hi SLC. Yes, plenty scary. But we are starting to see this more, his own kind exposing him. This is a good thing, no?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:05 am    Post subject: Boo hoo Reply with quote

She's upset because his targets are the poor defenseless terrorists who should have been shot in the field. She'd be a lot less upset about preventive jailing of pro-lifers. And so what if he talks out of both sides of his mouth in the same breath. HE ALWAYS DOES THAT! Homer
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject: detention camps Reply with quote

we have to keep in mind these camps were alreay in place under Bush, so nothing really new, except Obamanation wants to expand those he wants to "disappear"
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: detention camps Reply with quote

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we have to keep in mind these camps were alreay in place under Bush, so nothing really new, except Obamanation wants to expand those he wants to "disappear"


Wonderful point!

To shed some optimism on this whole debacle, I could see a variety of states seceding from the Union before we are all rounded up and put in Americanized FEMA "Gulags."

Some ultra conservative Jews I know are convinced that Obama is a Hitler II. Some very Scary stuff!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: detention camps Reply with quote

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restorationist wrote:
we have to keep in mind these camps were alreay in place under Bush, so nothing really new, except Obamanation wants to expand those he wants to "disappear"


Wonderful point!

To shed some optimism on this whole debacle, I could see a variety of states seceding from the Union before we are all rounded up and put in Americanized FEMA "Gulags."

Some ultra conservative Jews I know are convinced that Obama is a Hitler II. Some very Scary stuff!!!




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIaSHkcFZ_A&feature=PlayList&p=7FE2BC1381AAB9F1&index=2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP8YnOADO3E&feature=PlayList&p=7FE2BC1381AAB9F1&index=0&playnext=1
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Obama's Gulag Plans Exposed by Liberal Reply with quote

Colleen Hammond wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6-4wPVwNEM

Rachel Maddow's (a liberal) commentary about Obama’s plans for prolonged detention of people who are THREATS is SCARY. Obama wants to construct a law so he can defy the constitution!!! The movie “Minority Report” (where Tom Cruise arrested people for crimes they would commit in the future) in action indeed!

We all know whom the Obama admin considers "threats"...


Good grief! Thanks for posting this.

Here are the vocabulary words for next week's quiz:

1. Preventative Detention
2. FEMA camp
3. Department of Homeland Security
4. Domestic Terrorist
5. Patriot Act
6. Rahm Emmanuel
7. Hate Crimes legislation
8. Federal Reserve Bank
9. World Health Organization
10. GIVE Act
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright Mr. Obama, I am loading my magazines. I fear the government like I fear a kitten. Obama does not understand movements that will not tolerate such things.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good luck finding us in the woods, Mr Obama. Boy I hate that man.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My dad told me today that I better keep my mouth shut about being pro life if I want to stay out of jail. I politely as I could told my dad I wasn't going to supress my faith for fear of being thrown in jail. I told him St. Paul and St. Peter were also thrown in prison and martyred for the faith and if that's what God calls me to do then that's what will happen.

My dad told me I better think long and hard because I won't like prison and I will have a "Bubba." That still doesn't scare me into keeping silent about my Faith.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Alright Mr. Obama, I am loading my magazines. I fear the government like I fear a kitten. Obama does not understand movements that will not tolerate such things.


Agreed, the US military can't cope with a few thousand dedicated fanatics in Iraq and Afghanistan. Most soldiers are decent folk who will not fire on American citizens on American soil in American towns, especially when many American folk have the means (or are aquiring the means - to the extent that there is NO hardball or FMJ on the shelves anywhere) to respond. Might be ugly but the sun will indeed rise the next day.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Alright Mr. Obama, I am loading my magazines. I fear the government like I fear a kitten. Obama does not understand movements that will not tolerate such things.


You'd be right at home here in Texas!

Many states have already said they may secede from the Union, including Texas.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"good luck finding us in the woods.."

Good idea if you like ticks and snakes. Too bad there aren't more caves around like in the holy land.

My mom works for the Census Bureau. The gov't sends her satellite photos every month of "structures" in the county that have "activity" like cars parked nearby. She then goes and finds out if these are actual domiciles by asking questions. She said the new teams of GPS painters are not suppossed to ask questions (that's her job).

I don't think there will be a large round-up. They will be small and sublte. For example if you don't get the mandatory flu vaccine (which the drug makers are working on now), you'll get a knock on the door during the day. Refusing to take it (along w/ being a gun-owning home-schooling abortion-clinic-praying Catholic) will get you on a list (if you're not already). The next step would be surgical "take-outs" in the middle of the night for those on the list (read Gulag Archipelago for the playbook).
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Got Sacraments?&q wrote:

I don't think there will be a large round-up. They will be small and sublte. For example if you don't get the mandatory flu vaccine (which the drug makers are working on now), you'll get a knock on the door during the day. Refusing to take it (along w/ being a gun-owning home-schooling abortion-clinic-praying Catholic) will get you on a list (if you're not already). The next step would be surgical "take-outs" in the middle of the night for those on the list (read Gulag Archipelago for the playbook).


Sorry, but they won't knock on my door.! I live in a former factory fortress turned apartment complex and they can't get in my place unless they have 2 keys.. Besides, I'm assuming they think anyone who rents is a lower class liberal who doesn't pose a threat to Obama and his minons because he is already a slave.

This country is so far gone anyway that If worse comes to worse(as you call it "surgical take outs"), I'll buy a one way ticket to Ireland... After all, I'm 1/4 irish! Too Funny
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Alright Mr. Obama, I am loading my magazines. I fear the government like I fear a kitten. Obama does not understand movements that will not tolerate such things.


You'd be right at home here in Texas!

Many states have already said they may secede from the Union, including Texas.


About the only way I could consider moving to Texas!
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Heck, I wish I could move to Texas right now. I'm liking more and more the talk that's coming out of them these days--they sound like my kind of people!

It's so boring up here in New Hampshire, which has become a subdivision of Ted Kenndyland.
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It could be worse, you could be in Maine where we have Senators Olympia Socialism and Susan Communist.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:07 pm    Post subject: gulag Reply with quote

"secession from the union" isnt much of an advantage. MANY of the states are also rather far gone into liberalism, including many of the red states. Dont fool yourself, there are enemies in the state capitals too,
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Alright Mr. Obama, I am loading my magazines. I fear the government like I fear a kitten. Obama does not understand movements that will not tolerate such things.

Under what circumstances is a Catholic allowed to use deadly force?
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Alright Mr. Obama, I am loading my magazines. I fear the government like I fear a kitten. Obama does not understand movements that will not tolerate such things.

Under what circumstances is a Catholic allowed to use deadly force?

Duh

Just War?
Self Defense?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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damien26 wrote:
Alright Mr. Obama, I am loading my magazines. I fear the government like I fear a kitten. Obama does not understand movements that will not tolerate such things.

Under what circumstances is a Catholic allowed to use deadly force?

Duh

Just War?
Self Defense?

So how is resiting the government of your own country 'just war'? And 'self-defense'? When can you use deadly force against lawful authority that is not making an immediate deadly threat against you?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So how is resiting the government of your own country 'just war'? And 'self-defense'? When can you use deadly force against lawful authority that is not making an immediate deadly threat against you?

I'll take them one at a time, Quaker; they're two different topics.

Just War against own country - the Christeros in Mexico.

Self Defense - Resisting home invasion of those with known intent to rape, than kill.
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So how is resiting the government of your own country 'just war'? And 'self-defense'? When can you use deadly force against lawful authority that is not making an immediate deadly threat against you?

I'll take them one at a time, Quaker; they're two different topics.

Just War against own country - the Christeros in Mexico.

Self Defense - Resisting home invasion of those with known intent to rape, than kill.

Show me how we face either choice at this time. If you can. Further the Cristeros themselves had little or no support from the Church for their deadly efforts. I find it hard to believe that any Catholic can call for armed rebellion. As for your deliberate ad hominem attacks = "quaker", for example, they label you, not me. They also insure that you will speak to yourself in the future. Last warning, name calling puts you on perm ignore.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Narses wrote:
Land of the Irish wrote:
Narses wrote:
damien26 wrote:
Alright Mr. Obama, I am loading my magazines. I fear the government like I fear a kitten. Obama does not understand movements that will not tolerate such things.

Under what circumstances is a Catholic allowed to use deadly force?

Duh

Just War?
Self Defense?

So how is resiting the government of your own country 'just war'? And 'self-defense'? When can you use deadly force against lawful authority that is not making an immediate deadly threat against you?


The Elian Gonzales capture on Easter morning event comes to mind of when gov't comes "knocking at your door" using deadly force.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kstewskis wrote:
Narses wrote:
Land of the Irish wrote:
Narses wrote:
damien26 wrote:
Alright Mr. Obama, I am loading my magazines. I fear the government like I fear a kitten. Obama does not understand movements that will not tolerate such things.

Under what circumstances is a Catholic allowed to use deadly force?

Duh

Just War?
Self Defense?

So how is resiting the government of your own country 'just war'? And 'self-defense'? When can you use deadly force against lawful authority that is not making an immediate deadly threat against you?


The Elian Gonzales capture on Easter morning event comes to mind of when gov't comes "knocking at your door" using deadly force.
Had Elian's 'defenders' responded with deadly force, what would the state of their soul be?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Narses wrote:
kstewskis wrote:
Narses wrote:
Land of the Irish wrote:
Narses wrote:
damien26 wrote:
Alright Mr. Obama, I am loading my magazines. I fear the government like I fear a kitten. Obama does not understand movements that will not tolerate such things.

Under what circumstances is a Catholic allowed to use deadly force?

Duh

Just War?
Self Defense?

So how is resiting the government of your own country 'just war'? And 'self-defense'? When can you use deadly force against lawful authority that is not making an immediate deadly threat against you?


The Elian Gonzales capture on Easter morning event comes to mind of when gov't comes "knocking at your door" using deadly force.
Had Elian's 'defenders' responded with deadly force, what would the state of their soul be?


If they were defending their life, and the lives of the family, they would be justified. It is not premeditated murder, or attempted murder. The Church backs this up.

Will you go so far as to tell many of the SSPX priests, as well as other traditional priests in the Washington/Idaho area that they are dead wrong in this teaching? We have discussed (family members) in firearms self defense class. Even my sister took her firearms self defense class with a nun who is at the SSPX chapel in Post Falls.

You would not defend yourself, or protect your family against deadly force being used on you? Where is that in Catholic teaching?
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Colleen Hammond wrote:
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Alright Mr. Obama, I am loading my magazines. I fear the government like I fear a kitten. Obama does not understand movements that will not tolerate such things.


You'd be right at home here in Texas!

Many states have already said they may secede from the Union, including Texas.


Maybe in Texas, but more likley in Oklahoma where there is a girl I am courting. The first time I went there I could not believe how conservative people are there. Not just a few, but the majority of the population. I am from the west coast and we are as about as liberal as a gay Caliifornian. Though, you can go to the eastern part of my state and be at home amongst conservatives. But there is hardly any decent jobs there now. Yes, you southerners, Texans and midwesterners should be proud of yourselves. You are closer to reality than most of the country. Of course my dream home lies in Montana. But I need a job before I can relocate there.
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kstewskis wrote:
Narses wrote:
Land of the Irish wrote:
Narses wrote:
damien26 wrote:
Alright Mr. Obama, I am loading my magazines. I fear the government like I fear a kitten. Obama does not understand movements that will not tolerate such things.

Under what circumstances is a Catholic allowed to use deadly force?

Duh

Just War?
Self Defense?

So how is resiting the government of your own country 'just war'? And 'self-defense'? When can you use deadly force against lawful authority that is not making an immediate deadly threat against you?


The Elian Gonzales capture on Easter morning event comes to mind of when gov't comes "knocking at your door" using deadly force.


Narses, don't get your shirt in a knot. Land of the Irish tweaks almost everyone she addresses, and she's very humorous. Don't take it personally. It's all good clean fun and a great respite from deadly serious topics.
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Had Elian's 'defenders' responded with deadly force, what would the state of their soul be?


Had they responded with deadly force they would be dead today, but--on this issue alone--their consciences would be clear. They would not have been guilty of any object sin.

I don't know anything about these individuals to even hazard a guess about the state of their souls with regards to any other aspect of their lives.
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Had Elian's 'defenders' responded with deadly force, what would the state of their soul be?


Had they responded with deadly force they would be dead today, but--on this issue alone--their consciences would be clear. They would not have been guilty of any object sin.

I don't know anything about these individuals to even hazard a guess about the state of their souls with regards to any other aspect of their lives.


I guess Joan of Arc cause would be nullified if you go by Narses beliefs of the issue!! According to him she must not be in heaven! Is she or isn't she a saint??? No No
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Hmm. So far in the "Land of the Free" we have:

1) GPS Satellites watching your front door (for harmless reasons, of course);
2) Patriot Act (Spying on your emails, internet sites, subscriuptions, TV channels, cell phones, land lines....for our own goood, of course);
3) Active duty troops from the Middle East theatre on patrol within the United States (for our own protection, of course);
4) And now Obama's "preventative arrests."
5) Conservative social, political, and religious organizations showing up on the DHS "watch" list (for our own good, of course);

Reminds me a bit of Orwell's 1984: "War is peace; slavery is freedom."
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TKGS wrote:
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Had Elian's 'defenders' responded with deadly force, what would the state of their soul be?


Had they responded with deadly force they would be dead today, but--on this issue alone--their consciences would be clear. They would not have been guilty of any object sin.

I don't know anything about these individuals to even hazard a guess about the state of their souls with regards to any other aspect of their lives.

So absent an immediate threat to my life or that of another I can kill federal agents with a clear conscience? What an innovative view of the morality of killing. What authority do you believe supports this fascinating view?
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TKGS wrote:
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Had Elian's 'defenders' responded with deadly force, what would the state of their soul be?


Had they responded with deadly force they would be dead today, but--on this issue alone--their consciences would be clear. They would not have been guilty of any object sin.

I don't know anything about these individuals to even hazard a guess about the state of their souls with regards to any other aspect of their lives.


I guess Joan of Arc cause would be nullified if you go by Narses beliefs of the issue!! According to him she must not be in heaven! Is she or isn't she a saint??? No No

How do you come up with that odd argument? Where did I say any such thing?
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"secession from the union" isnt much of an advantage. MANY of the states are also rather far gone into liberalism, including many of the red states. Dont fool yourself, there are enemies in
the state capitals too,


Here in Utah, a supposedly red state, we have a Mormon governor (just appointed as ambassador to China) who is pro-gay marriage and is getting some big hoo-hoo award from the gay rights lobby this weekend. It is gay shame, er, I mean, pride, weekend here this weekend. The city and county building is flying a huge rainbow flag all week on public property (try doing that with the Vatican flag) and the pride festival is the lead story in the news. For a supposedly Republican, majority Mormon, conservative state, we have plenty of the LGBT crowd and many people think that homosexual "marriage" is not too far off here, of all places. (One can only wonder what the bigwigs at the head of the Mormon church think of all of this.) Of course the NO Catholics think it is just swell. We are finally developing a social conscience and getting some social justice accomplished--NOT. I wouldn't mind moving to Texas or Florida, as long as there could be an SSPX chapel nearby. And, although I do not have children and therefore do not homeschool, I do support people who do, and I am one of those folks who prays down in front of the local abortuary. I openly defended Bishop Williamson when he underwent his public flaying not so long ago. I would not be surprised to get a knock on my door at any time....
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So absent an immediate threat to my life or that of another I can kill federal agents with a clear conscience? What an innovative view of the morality of killing. What authority do you believe supports this fascinating view?

Once again, what is your view of the Christeros in Mexico?
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