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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:00 am    Post subject: Bishop hits out at 'gay conspiracy' to destroy Christianity Reply with quote

Catholic bishop hits out at 'gay conspiracy' to destroy Christianity

BY TRISTAN STEWART-ROBERTSON
The Scotsman
13 Mrch 2008
http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Catholic-bishop--hits-out.3872740.jp

ONE of Scotland's most senior Catholics has launched an attack on the "gay lobby" in Scotland, claiming there is a "huge and well-orchestrated conspiracy" against Christian values.
The Rt Rev Joseph Devine, Bishop of Motherwell and president of the Catholic Education Commission, said gay rights organisations aligned themselves with minority groups, such as Holocaust survivors, to project an "image of a group of people under persecution".

He warned that the gay lobby – which he labelled "the opposition" – had mounted "a giant conspiracy" to shape public policy.

He singled out the actor Sir Ian McKellen, who was given a New Year honour for services to gay rights, pointing out that Oscar Wilde was locked up only a century ago for homosexual acts. The bishop said he would "not tolerate" the "behaviour" of a child struggling to come to terms with his or her homosexuality. Last night his views were attacked by gay rights groups, which branded them "unChristian" and "deeply out of step" with the views of ordinary Scots.

In the fourth of the Gonzaga Lectures held at St Aloysius' College in Glasgow on Tuesday, Bishop Devine said: "The homosexual lobby has been extremely effective in aligning itself with minority groups.

"It is ever-present at the service each year for the Holocaust memorial, as if to create for themselves the image of a group of people under persecution. We neglect the gay movement at our peril.

"I want to ask you if you are able to see the giant conspiracy that's taking place before our eyes, even if we didn't see it at the time. I take it you're beginning to see that there is a huge and well-orchestrated conspiracy taking place, which the Catholic community missed."

He went on: "In this New Year's honours list, I saw actor Ian McKellen being honoured for his work on behalf of homosexuals, when a century ago Oscar Wilde was locked up and put in jail. "It's a very small group of people, but very active and organised – and extremely indulgent. The opposition know exactly what they're doing. We don't."

Calum Irving, the director of Stonewall Scotland, said the bishop was "deluded", pointing out that the Catholic Church had much greater wealth and political influence than the gay rights lobby. He said: "So Bishop Devine has decided it's time to have a go at lesbian and gay people again.

"I'm flattered that the bishop thinks we could mount a 'huge and well-orchestrated' conspiracy, but he is much deluded. After all, which 'lobby' really has the greater resources and political access?

"Such a continued attack on gay people is distinctly unChristian and deeply out of step with the views of most Scots today. There is no war on Christianity – just the bishop's own fevered paranoia.

"I would defend the bishop's right to practise his faith and yet he would deny me basic dignity and respect. Worse, he appears to hanker after an age when Oscar Wilde was put in jail for being gay. Worse still, he seems to infer that gay people have no right to be remembered as victims of the Holocaust."

After Bishop Devine's lecture, entitled Sectarianism and Secularism: Bugbears for the Catholic Church in Scotland, one audience member asked how Catholic parents should "come to terms with a child's mission to become homosexual".

The bishop replied: "This must be a nightmare moment for any parent. There are many days when I'm glad to not be a parent. I would try to handle it with a degree of compassion, but I would not tolerate (it]."

Bishop Devine also cited the battles over Clause 28, legalising civil partnerships and same-sex adoption.

He said prominence had been given to the "supreme moral values of liberty and equality" replacing "truth and goodness" as supreme moral values.

Bishop Devine continued: "It was bound to result in state-sponsored morality at war with Christian values. We must resist being corrupted by secularism."

Asked about how Christians could influence politics, he commented: "It was once thought that the Labour Party was a Christian democratic party. Sadly, it's not that anymore. Certainly in terms of leadership, the SNP are much more responsive to us."

He vowed to fight on against the "forces of secularism". He concluded his lecture stating: "Like Mel Gibson, who said, 'I'm going to pick a fight', so am I."

A Holocaust Memorial Day Trust spokeswoman said: "Holocaust Memorial Day is about remembering all victims: be they Jewish, gypsy, gay or lesbian.

"The day is also about learning the lessons from the past, encouraging society to tackle all forms of prejudice, such as antisemitism, racism and homophobia."

A spokeswoman for Sir Ian McKellen said the actor was out of the country and unavailable for comment.

OUTSPOKEN CHURCHMAN

THE Rt Rev Joseph Devine is no stranger to controversy.

Last year, he dealt a blow to Labour's hopes in the Holyrood elections by saying he would not be voting for the party on religious grounds, as it had a "morality devoid of any Christian principles".

He had previously branded the Labour administration as "moral vandals" and "politically correct zealots".

The year before, he became embroiled in a row with other senior figures in the Catholic Church after condemning the actions of a senior Church aide who, he claimed, had failed to express opposition to plans to let gay couples adopt.

In an unprecedented move, the Church's two most senior clerics, Cardinal Keith O'Brien and Archbishop Mario Conti, moved publicly to rebuff Bishop Devine by releasing a public statement backing the aide.

Previously, he became personally involved in a row with Jack McConnell, the former first minister, over plans for mixed-faith, joint-campus schools in Lanarkshire.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

100 % true. I am still amazed that some prelates who are brainwashed into the Novus Ordo, still are sane on morality issues. Pray for this Shepherd please.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

God Bless Him.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somebody introduce him to Cardinal Mahoney.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:28 am    Post subject: The Gay rights lobby... Reply with quote

The Gay rights lobby has failed to read of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah in the bible and the turning of Lot's wife into a statue of salt when she looked back on the scene in violation of God's warning. They want everything to be as they see it and not as God sees it. It will not wash. This prelate is excoriated for holding true to God's word and telling it like it is. I wish I could congratulate him personally and ask him why he thinks such views have tolerance today (hint, hint).

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And the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrha brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven. And he destroyed these cities, and all the country about, all the inhabitants of the cities, and all things that spring from the earth. And his wife looking behind her, was turned into a statue of salt. Genesis Chap 19:24-26


It means, my dear friends, that we do not celebrate homosexuality or the acts committed by them. They are called to chastity and repentance like everyone else. By denying these crystal-clear words of Scripture, they have placed themselves in imminent danger of God's wrath. That is the truth and no amount of word-spin will change it.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that the point of this post is to applaud the bishop for standing up against the pressure to be pc, and defending the faith against what has become public opinion- good for him. But something else struck me. It is ironic that the imprisonment of Oscar Wilde is mentioned in this context as emblematic of the unfairness of society in this regard and as the pinnacle of injustice. Of course, it was a tragedy in the life of that brilliant and troubled man. But it is also probable that the imprisonment of Wilde was the culmination of a long series of events in his life that led to his death-bed conversion. Not that I promote imprisonment for homosexuality, I don't. Not at all. But in the case of Wilde, it was the end of his life as a darling of decadent fashionable society and may actually have been his salvation - the hard way. If those words by Stonewall Scotland had been against anyone but a Catholic bishop, this would probably not have occurred to me.
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