Okie Trad Exclusive: A Second Interview with Pope Michael

Friday, September 7, 2018

Okie Trad Exclusive: A Second Interview with Pope Michael

[To quote a well-known line from the TV show To Tell the Truth: “Will the real anti-pope please stand up?”]

Preface: I’ve encountered a number of Catholics, who like myself do not believe David Bawden of Topeka, Kansas is really the Supreme Pontiff, but find him to be an intriguing and sincere person, who ironically seems to be teaching the Catholic Faith better than the man presently sitting on the Chair of St. Peter.   Or the vast majority of official pastors of the Church.  Perceived by many as an oddity of the traditionalist movement, I think what he has to say sheds light on the current situation, and on what really matters.



Interview of “Pope Michael” of Topeka, Kansas:

1. Francis recently amended the post-Vatican II catechism, saying the death penalty is now “inadmissible,” ie always legally impermissible, because, he says, it violates the “dignity of the human person.” Is he in error?

Yes, he is in error. He does not understand the purpose of the death penalty. The death penalty is to protect the innocent from the guilty, not to punish the guilty. This idea of the dignity of the human person flows from Vatican II. Dignitatis Humanae of Vatican II begins: “A sense of the dignity of the human person has been impressing itself more and more deeply on the consciousness of contemporary man,(Pacem in Terris) and the demand is increasingly made that men should act on their own judgment, enjoying and making use of a responsible freedom, not driven by coercion but motivated by a sense of duty.” This is not a Catholic concept.

2. Francis also teaches that bishops may decide in their diocese that the divorced-and-remarried may receive Holy Communion? What do you think of this unprecedented decision?

Jesus said: “And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.” (Matthew 19:9) Those, who have divorced and remarried are living in sin, and therefore are not fit to receive Holy Communion. To decide otherwise is to cooperate in this sin and to encourage these people to commit the sin of sacrilege by receiving Holy Communion unworthily.

3. Francis has also publicly called into question the existence of hell, said birth control can be used in extreme circumstances, approved of communion for Protestants, etc, etc. Instead, how should the pope deal with these moral problems debated today?

The Pope is called on to state the truths of the Faith clearly. Moral problems are not a matter of debate, for the Moral Law is clear. Hell exists. Birth control is never permitted. Protestants are not fit to receive Holy Communion, because they are not in union with Christ’s Church. Communion is more than the reception of our Lord’s Body and Blood. It is also a symbol of unity. When we kneel at an altar rail and receive Holy Communion, we are professing that we are united with the church that is giving us Communion.

4. When we have a putative pope in Rome teaching heresies, aside from the question of your own claim to the papacy, how should Catholics preserve their Faith, when there is so much that tempts them to discouragement and despair?

First of all, we must pray fervently to the Holy Ghost for guidance. Then we must live the Catholic way of life, because we are all called to be saints. We have a man, claiming to be Pope, who teaches heresy. Since this is impossible, either he is not teaching heresy, or he is not Pope. If he is not Pope, then we shake the dust from our feet and depart from him, because he has departed from Jesus Christ, the invisible head of the Church. Saint Robert Bellarmine asks how can a man be head of a Church of which he is no longer a member. The simple answer is that he cannot. This should not discourage us. Rather we should look for the true Pope and join with him, because it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the Pope.

5. How have you been doing? Do you still live in Topeka? What has been keeping you busy?

I am doing fine. And yes I still live in Topeka. I have a man studying for the priesthood here, who will be ordained priest later this month. We are going to start a church here.

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3 comments on “Okie Trad Exclusive: A Second Interview with Pope Michael

  1. When even a headcase makes more sense than the lunatic fringe in sunny Nuovo Roma, all doubts concerning the illegitimacy of Vatican II are erased.

  2. I think the head case is Joseph Ostermeir for even giving this guy the time of day. And doubly so for doing it a second time.

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