I had wondered about the two major figures in South America enveloped in the sex abuse scandal in Chile if they were progressive or conservative. In fact this morning I learned from Crux that they are conservative but charismatic. Charismatics are Catholics Pentecostals, extremely ecumenical, but orthodox in their teachings except liturgically and spiritually, they syncretize Catholic worship with Pentecostal expression. They are not rigid in their liturgical expression. They are politically conservative (not leftists to use a phrase Pope Francis used to describe those who were denigrating a bishop now fired by Pope Fraincis in Chile associated with Karadima).

Pope Francis had a flip flop on charismatics opposing them at first and then embracing them when he was in Argentina. Why? I suspect because of their evangelizing fervor, ecumenical outlook and less rigid Pentecostal piety and vocations these communities provide.

Each time charismatics come to Rome, Pope Francis exuberantly embraces them, prays with them and is prayed over by them. He doesn’t meet traditionalists though. This may explain why Francis did not believe reports about abuse in these communities by priests and laity as it would challenge the style of the pope’s agenda which he sees being fulfilled in charismatic communities. Charismatics believe God is always doing something new and the Spirit blows where it wills, sentiments shared by Pope Francis–the God of surprises.

This is from this morning’s Crux and press here for full article:

Similar to now suspended Fr. Fernando Karadima, Peruvian layman Luis Fernando Figari’s community wascharismatic and attracted swaths of vocations, with the main appeal being an emphasis on a life of strict asceticism, intellectual formation and spiritual combat, believing their call was to fight as elite soldiers in God’s army.

Cardinal Francisco Errázuriz Ossa, who served as archbishop of the national capital from 1998-2010 and was the dominant figure on the country’s Catholic scene, has increasingly been in the spotlight as the Chilean abuse crisis unfolds. He faces mounting accusations of cover-up, most notably for notorious abuser priest, Fernando Karadima, and many victims have called for him to stand trial.
However, the record shows that not only does Errázuriz have ties to Karadima, he also has a relationship with Figari that goes back at least two decades.
Sources with knowledge of the Sodalitium Christianae Vitae, the movement founded by Figari, emphasize that Errázuriz was not its biggest backer in the Latin American hierarchy, nor was he responsible for the movement’s early growth. That occurred, they say, under the patronage of two other Latin American heavyweights, both now deceased – Cardinals Alfonso Lopez Trujillo of Colombia and Eugênio de Araújo Sales of Brazil.

Even then-Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina, the future Pope Francis, those sources say, in some ways was more enthusiastic than Errázuriz. At one stage, Bergoglio donated a piece of property outside Buenos Aires to the community for five years to use as a base of operations in the country.
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  1. Let us not forget the sex scandals of two other New Movements that were charismatic (pertaining to the movement itself or its founder), conservative (i.e., Neo-Catholic) or plain crazy:

    1. Marcial Maciel and the Legionaries [Need I say more?]

    2. Tomislav Vlasic and Medjugorje [Lesser known; summarized by E. Michael Jones as being created by a priest to cover up an affair that resulted in his impregnating a nun; more (much more) below by Richard Chonak at Catholic Light]

    Medjugorje bombshell: ex-pastor Tomislav Vlasic laicized, dismissed from Franciscan order

    Friday, 24 July 2009

    From the blog Medjugorje senza maschera by Marco Corvaglia:

    (Background on the censures imposed on Fr. Vlasic is described in an earlier post [see below].)

    Fr. Tomislav Vlasic reduced to the lay state

    The final word has arrived. As was reported earlier, on the 30th of May 2008, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in the person of its Secretary, Archbishop Angelo Amato, explicitly asked the bishop of Mostar, Ratko Perić (in letter no. 144/1985-27164), to make known “for the good of the faithful” the contents of a declaration by that Congregation regarding Father Tomislav Vlašić.

    Let us recall a brief excerpt:

    In the context of the Medjugorje phenomenon, this Dicastery is dealing with the case of the Rev. Father Tomislav Vlašić, OFM, originally from that region and the founder of the association “Kraljice Mira, potpuno tvoji – po Mariji k Isusu” […] Confirmed reports presented to this Congregation reveal that the religious priest in question has not responded, even partially, to the ecclesiastical obedience called for in the very delicate situation he faces.

    In the decree of the Congregation [see circular 939/2008, dated 8 July 2008, from the Curia of Mostar] it was written that Fr. Vlašić was suspected of “heresy and schism” and accused of “spreading questionable doctrines, manipulation of consciences, suspect mysticism, disobedience to legitimate orders and violations contra sextum (against the sixth commandment, that is). This last accusation relates to an event in 1977 (therefore prior to the “apparitions”), already reported on the page “And the Gospa said, Thanks so much to Father Tomislav; he’s guiding you so well.”

    Today, as mentioned above, the Holy See has made a definitive pronouncement. Here is the transcription of the official act, signed by the Minister General of the Order of Friars Minor, Father José Rodriguez Carballo. The letter of the Minister General has already been sent to all the Provincials in Italy, Croatia, and Bosnia-Herzegovina and forwarded by them to the Guardians in each province. The Guardians have in turn sent it on to all the daughter houses in their respective provinces. However, the document has not been distributed outside the order until now:

    Prot. N. 098714

    To the Provincial Ministers of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, and Italy

    Dear Brother Minister,

    The Holy Father, accepting the request of friar Tomislav Vlasic, O.F.M, member of the province of friars minor of St. Bernardino of Siena (L’Aquila), responsible for conduct harmful to ecclesial communion both in the spheres of doctrine and discipline, and under a censure of interdict, has granted him the favor of reduction to the lay state (amissio status clericalis) and of dismissal from the Order.

    In addition, the Holy Father has granted the petitioner, motu proprio, the remission of the censure incurred as well as the favor of dispensation from religious vows and from all the responsibilities connected with sacred ordination, including celibacy.

    As a salutary penal precept – under the pain of excommunication which the Holy See would declare, and if necessary, without prior canonical warning – the following precepts are imposed on Mr. Tomislav Vlasic:
    a) Absolute prohibition from exercising any form of apostolate (for example, promoting public or private devotion, teaching Christian doctrine, spiritual direction, participation in lay associations, etc.) as well as of acquiring and administering goods intended for pious purposes;
    b) Absolute prohibition from releasing declarations on religious matters, especially regarding the “phenomenon of Medjugorje”;
    c) Absolute prohibition from residing in houses of the Order of Friars Minor.
    For the execution of the serious measures imposed by the Holy See regarding Mr. Tomislav Vlasic, the same Apostolic See calls directly on the Superiors of the Order.

    Therefore I turn to you, so that you make sure to instruct the Guardians and superiors of friaries about full compliance, by Tomislav Vlasic, with the pontifical measures regarding him, in particular relative to the prohibition of residing in any houses belonging to the Order of Friars Minor, under pain of removal from office.

    Trusting in your full understanding and prompt cooperation, I greet you fraternally.

    Rome, 10 March 2009.
    Fr. José Rodriguez Carballo, Ofm
    Minister General”

    [Update : Catholic News Agency has a report now.]

    The father of the Medjugorje affair is removed from ministry

    Tuesday, 02 September 2008

    Slowly, the corruptions surrounding the Medjugorje case are being dealt with.
    The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has investigated charges and imposed sanctions against Fr. Tomislav Vlasic, OFM.

    Perhaps you’ve never heard of him.

    Here’s the background. In 1981, Fr. Vlasic, a friar and parish priest in Yugoslavia, was distressed at having fathered a child by a Franciscan sister and having sent the mother away from Herzegovina to live and work in Germany. Struggling with his conflicting duties, he attended a Charismatic conference in Rome. There he was given a consoling “prophecy” of a Marian visitation. When he got home to Herzegovina and found that a bunch of teenagers was claiming an apparition, he stepped into the role of their spiritual advisor, got himself assigned to their parish, and shortly became an international religious celebrity.

    Undeterred by his earlier co-ed religious experience, he felt inspired to try another one in 1987: together with a German laywoman, he founded a would-be religious community in Italy for young men and women all living together, called “Queen of Peace, we are totally yours”. He claimed that our Lady had approved the idea, and he kept it going even after the bishops of the place had rejected it and the Medjugorje seer who supported him confessed publicly that the heavenly endorsement was a falsehood.

    Coming forward to 2008, it seems he’s been continuing the group all these years, as the CDF’s sanctions order Fr. Vlasic to have no contact with it or its members. Complaints to the CDF have accused him of “the diffusion of dubious doctrine, manipulation of consciences, suspected mysticism, disobedience towards legitimately issued orders and charges contra sextum.”

    Perhaps it is the last point, charges of violating the sixth commandment, that caused CDF to take up the case, as particularly grave offenses against the sixth commandment — involving the abuse of minors or involving the misuse of the sacrament of penance — are reserved to CDF for judgment.

    In perhaps the easiest matter to adjudicate, Fr. Vlasic has apparently incurred the penalty of interdict because of his refusal to return to the Franciscans and reside with them.

    Moreover, CDF indicates there is a “suspicion of heresy and schism, as well as scandalous acts contra sextum, aggravated by mystical motivations” — so CDF has forbidden him to hear confessions, to preach, to conduct financial business; and has ordered him to undergo some theological training and be evaluated on his teaching.

    At the request of CDF, the diocese of Mostar has published the Congregation’s statement on the case, and it follows here.

    The Canonical status of Rev. Father Tomislav Vlašić, OFM

    The Bishop, 2008-08-31

    The CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH with its letter prot. 144/1985-27164 of 30 May 2008, has authorized me as the local Bishop of the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno to inform the diocesan community of the canonical status of Fr. Tomislav Vlašić, the founder of the association “Kraljice mira potpuno Tvoji – po Mariji k Isusu” – (Queen of Peace, totally Yours – Through Mary to Jesus).

    The letter signed by the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Archbishop Angelo Amato, states the following:

    “Within the context of the phenomenon Medjugorje, this Dicastery is studying the case of Father Tomislav VLASIC OFM, originally from that region and the founder of the association ‘Kraljice mira potpuno Tvoji – po Mariji k Isusu’.

    On 25 January 2008, through a properly issued Decree, this Dicastery imposed severe cautionary and disciplinary measures on Fr. Vlasic.

    The non-groundless news that reached this Congregation reveals that the religious priest in question did not respond, even partially, to the demands of ecclesiastical obedience required by the very delicate situation he finds himself in, justifying himself by citing his zealous activity in the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno and surrounding territories, in initiating religious activities, buildings, etc.

    Since Fr. Vlasic has fallen into a censure of interdict latae sententiae reserved to this Dicastery, I kindly ask Your Excellency, for the good of the faithful, to inform the community of the canonical status of Fr. Vlasic and at the same time to report on the situation in question…”.


    This regards the fact that the same Congregation of the Holy See applied ecclesiastical sanctions against Rev. Father Tomislav Vlašić, through a Decree of the Congregation (prot. 144/1985) of 25 January 2008, signed by Cardinal William Levada, Prefect, and by Archbishop Angelo Amato, Secretary of the Congregation along with the “Concordat cum originali” of 30 January 2008, verified by Msgr. John Kennedy, Official of the Congregation.

    The Decree was handed over to Rev. Fr. Tomislav Vlašić in the General Curia of the OFM in Rome on 16 February 2008 and the notification was co-signed by the Minister General of the Franciscan Minor Order, Father José R. Carballo, the Ordinary of Fr. Vlašić.

    The Decree of the Congregation mentions that Rev. Fr. Tomislav Vlašić, a cleric of the Franciscan Minor Order – the founder of the association ‘Kraljice mira potpuno Tvoji – po Mariji k Isusu’ and who is involved in the “phenomenon Medjugorje” – has been reported to the Congregation “for the diffusion of dubious doctrine, manipulation of consciences, suspected mysticism, disobedience towards legitimately issued orders and charges contra sextum.”

    Having studied the case, the Congregation during its special Congress decreed the following sanctions against Rev. Fr. Tomislav Vlasic:

    “1. Mandatory residence in one of the houses of the Order in the region of Lombardy (Italy) to be determined by the Minister General of the Order and to be realized within thirty days from the time of the legitimate notification of this decree;
    2. All contacts with the “Kraljice Mira…” community and with its members are prohibited;
    3. Any actions involving juridical contracts and administrative organizations, whether canonical or civil, effected without the written permission ad actum of the Minister General of the Order and under his responsibility are prohibited;
    4. A mandatory course of theological-spiritual formation, with a final evaluation along with a prior recognitio of this Congregation, and a solemn professio fidei;
    5. The following are also prohibited: activities involving the ‘care of souls’, preaching, public appearances, while the faculty to hear confessions is also revoked up until the conclusion of the terms described in the previous number, barring an evaluation of the case.

    An additional sanction of a latae sententiae interdict (can. 1332) reserved to the Apostolic See is adjoined in the case of the violation of the mandatory residence (n. 1) and the other prohibited acts mentioned in n. 3 and n. 5.

    Fr. Vlasic is forewarned that in the case of stubbornness a juridical penal process will begin with the aim of still harsher sanctions, not excluding dismissal, having in mind the suspicion of heresy and schism, as well as scandalous acts contra sextum, aggravated by mystical motivations.

    Fr. Vlasic remains under the direct jurisdiction of the Minister General of the Order of Minor Franciscans, who shall see to his vigilance through the local Superior or another Delegate”.


    All the priests, religious and faithful in the Dioceses of Mostar-Duvno and Trebnje-Mrkan, as well as all those concerned “in the pertinent territories”, are hereby informed on the current canonical status of Rev. Father Tomislav Vlašić.
    With the sentiments of my highest consideration,

    + Ratko Perić, Bishop
    Fr. Ante Luburić, Chancellor

  2. Although certain so-called “charismatic” Catholics claim to be pro-life and socially or politically conservative, also following the personality cult of Pope John Paul II and the “theology of the body” in various styles, the charismatic movement in modernist circles is not Catholic and comes from Protestantism in the 1960s during the confusion and disorientation following Vatican II. The implicit claim of so-called charismatic Catholics that Catholic Baptism and the traditional seven sacraments are insufficient for transmitting the Holy Spirit is false and heretical. The reasons why certain special gifts or graces (such as miraculous healing, locutions, and private revelation) are conferred only on a very small minority of Christians is a mystery and known only to God. The nonsense babbling, complete with “slain in the spirit” rolling on the floor, claimed to be miraculous speaking in tongues is a false and fraudulent carnival and circus act which is essentially blasphemous. This is NOT a Catholic movement. The people doing this are confused and emotionally and psychologically disturbed. It is a Protestant movement and social phenomenon in American culture from the 1960’s which has no basis in the Catholic tradition.

    The crazy obese women involved in this who raise their arms, engage in liturgical dancing and and drama-queen “slain in the spirit” rolling on the floor theatrics need therapy. How this ever established a connection with Catholic Novus Ordo circles is one of those weird mysteries from the 1960s and the post-Vatican II era of liturgical weirdness and mass confusion. Just like the hippies at Woodstock, mass hysteria was a neurotic symptom during this period of American social history.

    No true Catholic bishop should allow this in his diocese.

  3. Right on, Howl.
    “Conservative charismatic” is an oxymoron.
    Religiously, charismaticism is nothing but out of control feel-goodism, radically opposed to Catholicism, which always puts intellect before emotion; radically opposed to traditional spiritual theology also, which views signs and wonders with suspicion, since Satan is quite capable of parading himself as an angel of light, and in any case God has historically worked few such signs and wonders.
    You can’t even pretend to distinguish “Catholic” charismatics as being conservative in a political or moral sense. Their adherence to traditional morals is either only partial and/or it is emotion-driven and thus by nature unstable.
    Since by nature a charismatic is blown about by every wind of feel-good doctrine, the very idea of holding irrevocably to any intellectual principles is impossible to him.
    Hence Fr. McDonald falls into contradiction. First he says:
    “They are politically conservative”
    Then he says:
    “This may explain why Francis did not believe reports about abuse in these [charismatic] communities by priests and laity as it would challenge the style of the pope’s agenda which he sees being fulfilled in charismatic communities. Charismatics believe God is always doing something new and the Spirit blows where it wills, sentiments shared by Pope Francis –- the God of surprises.”
    So he says the charismatics and Frankenpope have in common the “God of surprises”, who is always doing something new.
    To be always doing something new is the very antithesis of conservatism. And no one ever accused Frankenpope of being conservative. And birds of a feather flock together.
    C’mon Fr. McDonald, get with the program.

  4. The fact that it came from Protestants in the 1960s proves that it is demonic and diabolical. People who feel a need to shout, yell, and jump around should go to a football game. We don’t do this at Mass in Catholicism.

    Essentially, it is a populist, feel-good, power of positive thinking primal scream therapy movement very specific to the irrational confusion, disorientation, and mass hysteria of 1960s and 1970s America, following Vatican II and the cultural malaise of the Vietnam era. It is the “est” of Novus Ordo modernism. Part of the mass delusion of the Spirit of Vatican II in 1970s America. The Jerry Springerization and Phil Donahueization of American Catholicism (which is why it appeals to gullible people).

    Join a football fan club and scream and shout for your favorite team there. If you think that proves you are more in touch with the Holy Spirit, there is some resort property in the swamps of the Florida Everglades you might be interested in. “Awesome!”

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