What’s going on at the FSSPX?

Monday, March 26, 2018

What’s going on at the FSSPX?

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A Novus Ordo diocesan priest oversees the exchange of vows 
while the SSPX priest stands to the side and watches.

“Thus, we find ourselves in a case of necessity…. This is why we are convinced that, by the act of these consecrations today, we are obeying… the call of God.” — Abp. Marcel Lefebvre in sermon given at  the episcopal consecrations of June 30, 1988.

Quoted in Archbishop Lefebvre and the Vatican, 2nd ed., Fr. Francois Laisney, (Kansas City: Angelus Press, 1999), pp. 118-19.

Last month on February 10, 2018, a couple from the FSSPX community of St. Raphael’s in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada were wed by a Novus Ordo priest, Fr. Kelly Wilson.  This wedding didn’t take place at St. Raphael’s, instead it happened in Fr. Wilson’s diocesan church of St. Augustine of Canterbury in Brandon, Manitoba, Canada.  After the exchange of vows, Fr. Richard Vachon, who had witnessed all this go down, proceeded to offer a nuptial mass (Tridentine Mass — 1962) in the Novus Ordo St. Augustine’s.  According to the Remnant Newspaper,

“The couple preferred the church of St. Augustine for the ceremony, and Fr. Vachon reportedly indicated to them that since it is the couple who are the ministers of the sacrament of marriage, it doesn’t matter which priest officiated.”

This lead to all sorts of questions.  First off, is Fr. Kelly Wilson a valid priest?  If so, is the Novus Ordo Missae valid?  If so, since communion is given in the hand and particles of the host fall on the ground, did not — the bride, groom, bridesmaids, groomsmen, priests, and guests — all those present walk on Christ?

What if the bride and groom tire of each other and decide to get an annulment?  Will they go to the diocese where annulments are given out for fogging a mirror?  Or will they go to the SSPX which claims a right they do not have under a “state of necessity” to grant annulments?

The answer to all these questions is dependent on whom in the SSPX you ask them to and how well the talks with Modernist Rome are going at the moment.  Sometimes they say, ‘yes, it’s doubtful’ other times, ‘no, it’s valid’.  None of this should be surprising as the FSSPX runs hot and cold.  Perhaps, Bp. Bernard Fellay can clarify as to what SSPX’s policy is regarding marriage and their agreement with Modernist Rome?

“[It’s] not a trap, not a bad, hidden trick”

(From 1 minute 12 seconds to 16 minutes 40 seconds; Bp. Fellay speaks on marriage and the Vatican granting them the privilege to perform weddings provided they meet certain conditions; Letter can be read by clicking here.)

St. Raphael’s Priory of the SSPX in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada was so proud of the Novus Ordoized – Extraordinary Form wedding that they published a photo of the married couple standing beside the Novus Ordo presider and SSPX priest (see below) in their bulletin of March 2018.

If the SSPX is now going to have their priests witness marriages in Novus Ordo churches that have a Novus Ordo presider as the main witness, then have their priest offer up the ‘Extraordinary Form’ for the couple in the same Novus Ordo church, what’s the point and where is the “state of necessity”?

Is the Society bringing the Faith back to Modernist Rome and its Novus Ordo Missae or is the Society becoming that which it so strongly protested for years?

It’s interesting times to be living in.

Hey if the Vatican can have two popes, why not have two priests for a wedding?
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4 comments on “What’s going on at the FSSPX?

  1. Is Fr. Kelley Wilson a valid priest? Presumably, yes.
    Is the Novus Ordo Missae valid? Yes, assuming that the words of consecration have not been altered.
    Was Holy Communion given in the hand? Fr. Vachon celebrated the TLM afterwards, therefore: No.
    What if the couple seeks an annulment for non-legitimate grounds? The marriage will still be valid… no matter where they go for a church annulment.
    Does the SSPX have the right to grant annulments under the reasoning of “state of necessity”? That is a good question.
    What is the point and where is the state of necessity? The state of necessity is the preservation of the priesthood of Jesus Christ and of the Tridentine Mass.

  2. All I can say is that the point raised about “depends on whom you ask” tracks with my own experiences with SSPXers. The same can be said for indult Mass goers and devotees of “approved by sunny Nuovo Roma” societies, as well.
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    Tradworld is as “diverse” on a range of topics (and internal politics) as it is united around the centrality of the TLM in the life of the Church. That is not meant as a criticism of the SSPX or the FSSP or ICK,but merely an observation.

  3. A typical Sedevacantist post which has no grasp of Catholic teachings or principles.

    Jurisdiction, regardless of the fact that it be ordinary or extraordinary come from the Roman Pontiff – no priest receives jurisdiction directly from God. That prerogative is something given only to the Roman Pontiff.

    A Novus Ordo Priest witnessing to the fact of a wedding means little, since in essence in a marriage it is the couple who give the sacrament one to the other. The priest only acts as an official witness of the Church.

    The SSPX is here being consistent to both the principles of its founder and what it has always upheld, namely that while it resists the conciliar errors it recognizes the legitimate authority of the Roman Pontiff and the Conciliar Hierarchy.

    The SSPX has put out a lengthy article refuting the nonsense posted in this article:

    fsspx.news/en/marriages-clarifications/30476

  4. Having read the article Vinent linked to, until my poor old eyes couldn’t take anymore, I tend to think Vinent’s much more concise explanation obtains in the cited case. The long SSPX piece was a good reminder of how complex Church regulation of Matrimony well and truly is.

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