FOUR CARDINALS DECIDE NOT TO ISSUE FORMAL CORRECTION, THROWING IN THE TOWEL?!

FOUR CARDINALS DECIDE NOT TO ISSUE FORMAL CORRECTION, THROWING IN THE TOWEL?!

[Hat-tip to Canon212 for headline and link to Google translation]

From Gloria.TV News on the 16th of March 2017

No Correction: The blog Anonimi della Croce writes that the four Cardinals Brandmüller, Burke, Caffarra and Meisner, who signed the dubia concerning the contoversial document Amoris Laetitia, have decided not to publish a correction of Pope Francis despite having received no answer from him. According to the blog, they gathered three weeks ago in Rome. The reason for the decision: They did not have enough support from other cardinals.

Google translation of Italian source: “Appello ai 4 Cardinali dei dubia” di Fra Cristoforo

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7 comments on “FOUR CARDINALS DECIDE NOT TO ISSUE FORMAL CORRECTION, THROWING IN THE TOWEL?!

  1. Well, truth is determined by democratic vote it seems in the conciliar Church.

    Thank God for the courage of Archbishop Lefebvre who called a spade a spade, regardless of the blatant betrayal on part of his fellow bishops.

    What will Burke and co, say before Our Lord on Judgment day? Sorry Lord we failed to due our duty due to lack of democratic support. . . . And what will Our Lord respond. . .

    • “Depart from Me ye cursed into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” They are only kidding themselves if they think Our Lord will accept this denial of the Faith.

  2. [Hat-tip to PewSitter]

    Dubia Cardinals Decide Against Public Correction of Pope?

    Posted on March 15, 2017 by Steven O’Reilly

    March 15th, the Ides of March, is a day of “betrayal” in the annals of history. Julius Caesar was assassinated on this day in 44 B.C. by those he might have had cause to trust. On this day, word comes from the “Anonymous” blog in Rome that the Dubia Cardinals have opted not to seek a formal public correction of the Pope. Per Anonymous, The Dubia Cardinals apparently met a few weeks ago in Rome and decided against issuing a public formal correction of the Pope over grave ambiguities in Amoris Laetitia. The reason for this decision, according to Anonymous-citing his source-is that the Cardinals:

    “…did not feel they had support from other Cardinals, at the official level and have decided to throw in the towel.”

    We will have to see if Anonymous has good sources, or if this particular source got this one right. I certainly do not have sources on the question. My previously posted hunch was that the formal correction would come next week (March 19-25). I find this latest news hard to believe. I do not mean to suggest doubt in Anonymous or his source- it is just hard to understand why the Cardinals would back out at this point. It smacks of turning the landing craft around when it is about to hit the beaches of Normandy and then heading back out to sea. When they began their efforts the Cardinals had less support than they do now. If it is true that their support in the Sacred College has not grown measurably in time, it is true that the case in favor of their argument has improved. If doubters in the Dubia had ever really thought the questions academic, they cannot argue that any longer. Afterall, in the six months since the Cardinals delivered the Dubia to the Pope, it has become clear to all that Amoris Laetitia has resulted in growing division- as evidenced by the contradicting communion guidelines (over communion for public adulterers living more uxurio) issued by bishops and episcopal conferences around the world. This trend will only accelerate.

    The Cardinals most certainly should have known-or suspected full well- when they started down the Dubia road that the point in time might come when they would need to issue a formal correction of the Pope. If they did not intend the possibility-if necessary- of a public formal correction, it should never have been mentioned in November 2016. Was it all a bluff? And, the Pope called them on it? Perhaps, but I do not think so. It is hard to believe, having come this far and seeing the growing divide and confusion in the Church, that the Cardinals would decide to back out now. They may not have much visible support among their fellow Cardinals, but that is no reason to not do anything. If you want followers–lead. Who is the patron saint of “backbone”?

    I still hold out hope that anonymous is wrong, or he received a ‘garbled message’- but, if Anonymous and his source turn out to be correct-this is horrible, horrible news.

  3. Google translation of anonimidellacroce.wordpress.com/2017/03/17/doverosa-appendice-a-spifferi-parte-xx-appello-ai-4-cardinali-dei-dubia-manca-un-riferimento-saldo-di-fra-cristoforo/

    Date: 03/17/2017
    Author: Fra Cristoforo

    “Dutiful appendix to ‘Appeal to the four Cardinals of dubia’; MISSING BALANCE REFERENCE”

    I feel the need to clarify to my readers some points in reference to the Article
    “Appeal to the Cardinals 4 dubia” ( anonimidellacroce.wordpress.com/2017/03/15/spifferi- part-xx-appeal-to-4-cardinal-of-dubia-a-between-cristoforo / ).

    After a reflection and some hints of readings I’ve done in the last hour, I want to reiterate that, although I have decided to write anonymously -for now and for obvious reasons I am a priest .

    The priest who has devoted and is devoting his entire life to the Church. With all the renunciation of the case.

    I am a priest – and happy to be so – which many times would redo the choice to answer the call of Jesus.

    I preached and preach Jesus Christ. No Lefebvre. I am a priest of the Roman Catholic Church, but never-and I mean never! – I wanted to live these days. I gave body and soul to Christ and the Church, paying sometimes harsh consequences.

    I say this for ‘to dot the I’ and in response to some who thought that I throw the stone and hide the hand.

    That said, the Article was a HEARTFELT APPEAL TO FOUR CARDINALS WHO STEPPED BACK: I am sure that my source did not mind … although I WANT IT WITH ALL YOUR HEART .

    An appeal that comes from the observation and suffering to observe how many souls have recognized and recognize these four cardinals the ONLY HOPE OF LIGHT IN THIS TIME OF TOTAL DARKNESS.

    For me – a priest – (and I say this not to belittle any of you) live this time is different from what can be experienced by a layman.

    I dedicate myself every day, body and soul to the Church and the salvation of souls. See, he who is the Chair of Peter at the moment everything is relativized, this NO, I can not stand. I CAN NOT BEAR TO SEE THE CHURCH THAT IS DEMOLISHED BY DAY IN DAY.

    I can give an example suitable for a layman? And ‘AS IF A HUSBAND saw HIS WIFE IS VIOLATED, AND NO HELP. ON THE CONTRARY, ALL MAKE THE MORAL WHY ‘DIMENA. Think about it. Because this is my state of mind. Now.

    How I wish it was a lie!

    I assure you with all my heart. How I wish that my source was wrong. I do not care to be followed or not. If the Cardinals tomorrow should publish the correction, I would be ready to close the blog immediately. Better to be contradicted by the facts that witness to what is happening.

    And I want to reiterate that the contents of these my articles are not generated by the imagination. Count me as an ambassador.

    THE MEANING OF THIS BLOG, AS I HAVE ALREADY ‘STATED ABOVE, AND’ WHO BEG IS OVER ME AND WHO HAS MORE ‘AUTHORITY’, TAKE THE HELM OF THE CHURCH, AND TO DRIVE A NATION OF FAITHFUL AND SHEEP IN FULL CONFUSION AND WITH IN DANGER OF fALLING IN ERROR.

    REPEAT: MY MOOD OF PRIEST AND ‘OTHER THAN THAT OF A LAY. IT IS ANYONE. I feel, in fact, as if they were violating my wife and my children, before my eyes. And I see no escape if NOT in SHOUTING, blurt (TRUTH ‘) AND DEFEND MY “FAMILY” WITH THE MEANS THAT I HAVE.

    I do not need morality by those who do not know by experience what this means.

    Indeed, who does not have a direct responsibility to guide the souls are in a comfortable position to give summary judgments. Respect for the conscience of all opinion, of course, and I am convinced that each of us has a Cross, which is required to carry out their own salvation. But the Cross and the responsibility to guide the souls, it is the competence and responsibility of those who are consecrated as I am. For this, of course, my feelings, like that of so many of my brothers – without diminishing the laity – will be a different sensitivity and depth. Also taking into account that this issue is not just about me. But concerns the whole Church. ‘And if I’m wrong … I corigeréte’. (Viva San Giovanni Paolo II!).

    So I conclude: IF MY blurted WAS WRONG, WELL HAPPY. CARDINALS BUT, DO YOU SOON! I BEG YOU. WHY ‘WE LOOK WITH ADMIRATION -CHIESA- VI. AND DO NOT WAIT FOR OTHERS THAT HAVE FIRME GUIDES, IN THIS SEA IN STORM.

    I’m ready to disappear from the internet tomorrow. And to return to the total direct care of souls. In the silence. As I always have. But with a REFERENCE BALANCE . WITH SAFE DRIVING. WITH A HIGHER THAT I CONFIRM THAT WHAT YOU HAVE BELIEVED AND PREACHED TO DATE, AND ‘ALL TRUE.

  4. Google translation of anonimidellacroce.wordpress.com/2017/03/19/precisazione-su-cio-che-e-stato-scritto-in-merito-al-nostro-blog-il-senso-dello-spiffero-xx-di-fra-cristoforo-e-la-nostra-posizione-riguardo-i-4-cardinali-di-finan-di-lindisfarne/

    “Clarification of what has been written about in our blog: the sense of ‘draft XX’ of Fra Cristoforo and our position regarding the four cardinals”

    Date: 19 March 2017
    Author: Finan of Lindisfarne

    For those unaware of everything, first read the two previous articles on the following link:

    anonimidellacroce.wordpress.com/2017/03/15/spifferi-parte-xx-appello-ai-4-cardinali-dei-dubia-di-fra-cristoforo/

    anonimidellacroce.wordpress.com/2017/03/17/doverosa-appendice-a-spifferi-parte-xx-appello-ai-4-cardinali-dei-dubia-manca-un-riferimento-saldo-di- between-cristoforo /

    I feel compelled to enter into the merits and to add a reflection about the issue involving the four cardinals, as it seems to be emerging some what “brawls” of sites and social, I’d like you would avoid.

    They state that these -i 4- gave new oxygen to our Hope to see defending the Catholic faith, and that we are ready to follow them immediately, if you come forward to finish what they started.

    To them my respect, my affection and my prayer.

    We are all in this together, in fact. And, again, if our intentions are not yet clear, we are on the side of the four cardinals from the beginning and that’s why we reported the information that concerns them (the draft XX).

    I myself had written two months ago an article to defend Card. Cafarra by the words of Spadaro ( anonimidellacroce.wordpress.com/2017/01/16/e-cafarra-sarebbe-un-grima-vermilinguo-invitiamo- father-spadaro-a-brush up-the-catechism-and-take-over-to-the-big-man-of-church-of-finan-of-lindisfarne / ). Therefore, it does not call into question our closeness, our affection and our respect for these great men of the Church!

    The facts, however, show that at the time the four are not going to make the correction.

    There was talk of post-Epiphany is now almost Easter.

    Add to this, then, the information we have about: the veracity of the latter (the draft XX) time will dimostrarcelo. We ourselves spectators of our “drafts”.

    And we will be happy to be proven wrong because then it means that the hope for a serious resistance there really!

    Also, as on the one hand we bring these “drafts” on the other side who spoke of “incorrect entries”, referring to what Fra Cristoforo wrote, say openly what is based this assertion! It ‘a matter of fairness and love of truth.

    It is not a competition to see who is right or who is better to make the scoop : there is dancing in the salvation of the Church, whose situation worsened by the day: Take as an example Germany which has now cleared through customs any practice clearly as opposed to the Magisterium and the teachings, thanks to the “pass” of Laetitia Amoris.

    How much you think you can wait?

    The more time passes, the more ‘formal correction “will appear obsolete and ineffective. In fact, it will be very different NEW CORRECTIONS to be drawn up. And other new cracks will continue to open!

    There are still questions about what is the Pope’s line on this? We still want to linger? Does anyone still think that the current line of the hierarchy ARE ALREADY ‘FALL heresy?

    I add, then, that I feel in good conscience that I need and how “shake”! And no one can come between me and my own conscience.

    Because time is running out and souls are lost. To back down will become increasingly difficult. Amoris Laetitia gave only “LA.”

    To close the issue: we are not shouting louder than the others to put on display or to proselytize, we are not visionaries, we are not converted to anti-bergoglismo the last hour (although it is of minimal importance: one can have open eyes also 3 minutes ago, so be it: it is not a competition to see who has the intellect faster in being insightful), we do not want to rise to intellectual leaders, and we want to follow the shepherds with filial love .

    But for now, the shepherds (I speak of cardinals or bishops) who declare openly of wanting to make a serious resistance IN THE CHURCH AND NOT OUT OF IT … there are none.

    That’s why sprouting blogs and Catholics do not know where to turn in search of true discernment.

    I conclude, finally, with a reflection: Fra Cristoforo is a priest. We can spend our time debating as we do, and that is fine. But he -like other priests- is at the forefront and knows the direct consequences of the pastoral choices we are discussing. I myself have several times the tangible proof of the difference that a true priest has to perceive these problems compared to a layman, however devoted both.

    Cardinals: I’m nobody! I’m just a sinner. Then you accept this my anxiety, which I think is good, because the clock is ticking, and many are falling into total confusion. Besides the fact that heresy is normalizing.

    Do not abandon us, please! Why, if you will forward facades, there will be many faithful to support you! Pray for us.

  5. [Hat-tip to Canon212: “Anonymous Fra Cristoforo: Cd. Muller yelled schism, so the Four Cardinals backed down. But is that the lesser of two evils?”]

    Summary from Gloria.TV News on the 22nd of March 2017:

    Evil Produces More Evil: Anonimi della Croce writes that the four Dubia cardinals will not publish a correction of the controversial document Amoris Laetitia because Cardinal Müller, the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, asked them not to do so. Müller was present during their last meeting. According to Anonimi della Croce he said, “One has to choose the lesser evil. If the correction is published we risk here a schism.”

    “HERE IS THE REASON why the four cardinals have decided NOT to proceed with the formal correction”

    Date: 20/03/2017 Author: Fra Cristoforo

    Google translation of anonimidellacroce.wordpress.com/2017/03/20/spifferi-parte-xxii-ecco-il-motivo-per-cui-i-4-cardinali-hanno-deciso-di

    We talked abundantly argument of the 4 cardinal. For those unaware of what we are talking, here are the links in previous articles: ( anonimidellacroce.wordpress.com/2017/03/15/spifferi-parte-xx-appello-ai-4-cardinali-dei-dubia -of-of-cristoforo / ;

    anonimidellacroce.wordpress.com/2017/03/17/doverosa-appendice-a-spifferi-parte-xx-appello-ai-4-cardinali-dei-dubia-manca-un-riferimento-saldo-di- between-cristoforo / ;

    anonimidellacroce.wordpress.com/2017/03/19/precisazione-su-cio-che-e-stato-scritto-in-merito-al-nostro-blog-il-senso-dello-spiffero-xx- for-one-and-christopher-our-location-about-the-4-cardinal-of-finan-of-lindisfarne / ).

    What we want to explain to readers, and that perhaps it was misinterpreted by many, is that ours are OF APPEALS TO THESE SAINTS CARDINALS: THAT ‘PUBLISH AS PROMISED, THE CORRECTION TO FORMAL AMORIS LAETITIA.

    We follow with devotion these cardinal saints who put the face to the Truth of Christ. The only thing we ask is that they follow through on their intention to straighten the OMISSIS errors; mistakes that are creating confusion and desolation in many Catholic faithful.

    That said, I add the draft.

    My source told me that the one who has called for caution the 4 cardinal was Müller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In fact, in the meeting that they had 4, it was present too. The call for prudence on the publication of the correction is due to a phrase that Müller would say to that meeting: “you have to choose the lesser evil. If you publish the correction here you risk the schism “.

    In fact I believe Müller is not mistaken. Of course it is likely the schism. And the 4 cardinal before a statement like One moment they retreated. Why be responsible for a schism is not a beautiful thing. And so now we understand their hesitation.

    But the one thing I ask: is it true that a schism would cause serious thing. But also leave it like it is serious. Because now the AL poison from day to day is always propagated more.

    The AL has become the bedrock of neochiesa. Today there is nothing to talk about this. Each diocesan pastoral, parish, is based on Amoris Laetitia. And there is no escape. The poison is ramped.

    It ‘true that Müller spoke prudently and already said in January ( www.lastampa.it/2017/01/08/vaticaninsider/ita/vaticano/mller-non-ci-sar-alcuna-correzione -al-papa-xuMTKsChc1bUhkD1XWNtlI / page.html ).

    But do not you think the fate of so many souls who live in total darkness?

    Obviously the 4 cardinal has heeded the Prefect. But I wonder: you can let the people of God as well? Uncertainty? In the confusion?

    With this renew AFFECTION, THE ESTIMATE AND ESPECIALLY THE TRUST 4, RATHER, NOW TO 5 (INCLUDING Müller), BUT WE LIGHT. HELP. IN A DARK THAT SEEMS TO HAVE DONE.

  6. It’s interesting that these translations are maybe a little more powerful as Google translations than they would be as professionally and personally done translations.

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