Pro-FrankenPope cardinals want him to resign to avoid schism, reports the Times of London

Pro-FrankenPope cardinals want him to resign to avoid schism, reports the Times of London

[To insure the succession and success of his policies with the election of the younger but like-minded cardinal as FrankenPope II? – such as the Filippino Luis Tagle or current Secretary of State Pietro Parolin]


The London Times newspaper is reporting that a group of cardinals who supported Pope Francis now want him to resign and be replaced by Cardinal Pietro Parolin because they fear his reforms will cause a schism “more disastrous” than the Reformation. The Times article draws on a report by the Vatican expert Antonio Socci, a prominent Italian Catholic journalist.

Antonio Socci reports that it is the curial faction of the Holy See that backed the election of Jorge Mario Bergoglio out of “impatience with the rule of his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI” that now wants Pope Francis to resign out of fear of an impending schism. The Times reports:

“A large part of the cardinals who voted for him is very worried and the curia . . . that organised his election and has accompanied him thus far, without ever disassociating itself from him, is cultivating the idea of a moral suasion to convince him to retire.

It was the latter faction who now believed that the Pope should resign and who would like to replace him with Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican secretary of state, Mr Socci said. He believed that the group numbered around a dozen, but the importance of the members counts more than their number. Four years after Benedict XVI’s renunciation and Bergoglio’s arrival on the scene, the situation of the Catholic church has become explosive, perhaps really on the edge of a schism, which could be even more disastrous than Luther’s [who is today being rehabilitated by the Bergoglio church].

The cardinals are worried that the church could be shattered as an institution. There are many indirect ways in which the pressure might be exerted.”

The Times reports an expert on the Vatican gave this assessment of the latest development:

“A good number of the majority that voted for Bergoglio in 2013 have come to regret their decision, but I don’t think it’s plausible that members of the hierarchy will pressure the Pope to resign. Those who know him know it would be useless. [He] has a very authoritarian streak. He won’t resign until he has completed his revolutionary reforms, which are causing enormous harm.”

Antonio Socci reports that the significance of this development is that the group who want Pope Francis to resign are not the “conservative” cardinals who have opposed the Holy Father’s innovations, “What was significant, he said, was that the doubters were not the conservative cardinals who had been in open opposition to the Pope since early in his reign.”

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8 comments on “Pro-FrankenPope cardinals want him to resign to avoid schism, reports the Times of London

  1. IF true (and I highly doubt it), the real story is that the group that elected him want to head off the regularization of the SSPX with a Prelature that would leave them essentially independent of the bishops.

  2. This isn’t rocket science. Pope Francis is a kook. A nutjob. A crazy old man. Apparently, even some modernists realize this. Find a nice retirement home for Father Bergoglio. He needs a long, quiet rest.

  3. If Francis resigns, all the Cardinals, Bishops and any other appointments he made have to resign also. They are just as nuts 🥜 and theological Buffoons as he is. McElroy, Tobin , Ferrell, Cupich ,Bishops of Tulsa, Ft. Worth , et,al and the morons of Cardinals that got him elected, need to commit Sepeku , along with McCarrick and that idiot he met with who pushed this senile old man on the Church. I will volunteer for the position as second . Francis needs to be exiled to the Falklands, and herd sheep 🐑 or get a job as a janitor in one of the Masonic Lodges he belongs to.

  4. NO!

    that the bones you have crushed may thrill

    If this report is true… What can a Catholic say but… NO!

    Right now, I would happily wake up tomorrow to a new conclave and the knowledge that a man who has done his level best to butcher the Faith of the Church has gone. That might sound terrible, disloyal or uncharitable, but as citizens of countries breathe a sigh of relief when a tyrant is removed, so would I breathe a sigh of relief if Francis was removed. Pope Francis has been a total disaster for the Catholic Church’s mission in every testable area. However, my personal feelings of hurt and betrayal by Pope Francis do not merit his removal by force, threat or even ‘gentle persuasion’ by his Cardinals. I suppose in the Vatican, someone’s got something on everyone, so I suspect that even a little blackmail could be used as ‘pressure’ or ‘gentle persuasion’.

    For those who are desperate, this may indeed be a great temptation. But..

    The law of the jungle has no place in the Catholic Church. If Cardinals (be they ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative’) are looking to evict Francis from the throne of Peter, then they should do so according to the law of the Church, however embarrassing that process may be!

    In a situation in which there is not a wealth of legal precedent in terms of deposition of a Pope, it must be seen and it must in fact be that Francis is not ‘pressured to resign’, but that he is removed from Office under the laws which exist in the Church for reasons that justify it, which could be such issues as formal or material heresy and/or a dubious election that is deemed canonically invalid. For, if Pope Francis is indeed, as we are informed he is, a valid Successor of St Peter, rather than an anti-pope, then his removal must come about because the tribunal has found him to be incapable of holding the Office he now possesses.

    The Papacy is not a gangland where thrones are simply taken by force, or, at least, it wasn’t intended to be such by Christ. According to the laws which DO exist in the Church, a cabal of Cardinals ‘pressuring’ a valid Pope Francis to resign in order to elect an already known successor, who would have, we can safely assume, have already consented to the king-making scheme, would bring about an invalid election. It would appear that Cardinals already have a ‘respectable replacement’ in mind! Have they learned nothing from 2013? Clearly not!

    Until recently, the Church and the world has looked to the Catholic Church’s process of electing a Pope as something vaguely mysterious. It is not and cannot be compromised in this way, so that both within the Church and within the World, this man or that man takes the papacy, or is handed the papacy by his mates, because of the influence of the friends network he has built up, or because of those who influence others in this manner, as if the papacy is simply a political game that swings between right, left and centrist ‘parties’.


    Cardinals! If you want to get rid of Pope Francis, do it by the book. Honestly, ask Cardinal Burke. He will help you with whatever information you require! It is not just sanity but law, order and integrity that has to be brought back to the Papacy and to the Church. May I also observe that some Cardinals of a liberal persuasion are suffering from a severe breakdown in logic. Liberalism within the Church cannot co-exist with the Church because the Church is Catholic. She is the Bride of Christ! Compromise with the World cannot co-exist with the Church within the Church because the Church is Catholic. She is the Bride of Christ! Freemasonry and the dissemination of its tenets, subtly spread throughout the World, whether these tenets are held by actual Masons or prelates who simply do not possess enough belief in the Catholic Faith to reject its errors, cannot co-exist with the Catholic Church and certainly not within Her bosom. She is the Bride of Christ!

    Do not pretend to yourselves that a ‘respectable’ Francis, less gaff and insult prone, less rash and unpredictable, would have made the Church look more attractive, or a slow-burning overturning of Catholicism over a longer-period would have stopped the ‘schism’ you apparently fear under Francis. Do not deceive yourselves. The Church is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. She can never be the Bride of both Christ and Freemasonry, or any other belief system or dogma. The Church cannot have two masters – Jesus Christ and liberalism. It does not work. It either finds unity in Jesus Christ and His Teaching or She will be ever at risk of division and disharmony.

    She finds peace and concord in Him alone and laws established within the Church are established with His blessing. Chicanery and robbery, bullying and plunder have no place in the Church, far less when it comes to the Throne of St Peter. If, like Catholics who take the Church and Jesus Christ seriously, you feel that Francis is taking the Church to the brink of schism and destruction, then you must find Francis first guilty of something that impedes him from exercising universal jurisdiction over the Catholic Church, or leave him be and pray for him and render him filial obedience in everything except that which contravenes God’s law. Of course, if you have a problem with Francis asking you to do something that contravenes God’s law, note it down, for such information will be vital in an extraordinary Council called by Bishops and Cardinals and trial of a Supreme Pontiff!

    If Francis is found to have been acting under four years in a manner that Cardinals conclude can only be described as that of an infidel, apostate or heretic, then let it be judged so. Then not only the Church, but the World, can sleep in peace, knowing that the unusual papacy of Pope Francis was indeed a truly unprecedented moment in Church history, when the Church was governed in Her highest and most esteemed Office by a man who was judged by the Church to be NOT A CATHOLIC, BUT AN APOSTATE AND TRAITOR TO THE FAITH.

    Then – and only then – can the Church find peace and restored harmony under a validly elected new Supreme Pontiff who exercises universal jurisdiction with freedom and God’s blessing over the entire Catholic Church in the service of his Lord and Master, Jesus Christ and for the Salvation of souls.

    Until you do ascertain the truth of these matters, you cannot simply stab the Pope in the back and ask him to ‘move aside’ or else. This is not a matter of ‘clearing up a bit of a mess’. This is not a matter of vengeance either. This is a matter of justice. If Francis chooses to renounce the papacy, then let him do so. If he chooses to renounce the papacy because he cannot bring himself to profess and believe the entirety of the Catholic Faith then let him do so. If Francis chooses to renounce the papacy even because he fears censure in a court of law, and public rebuke for failing to hold and teach the faith, then let him do so, but, and mark these words and mark them well, let him do so, ‘in full freedom’ aware of ‘the gravity of this act’.

    Or have you wolves learned nothing since the last time?

  5. Cardinals! If you want to get rid of Pope Francis, do it by the book.

    There is no such book. This is all French Revolution talk, liberty of man nonsense. The institution is of Divine origin. His judgments are final. Even if every cardinal and bishop declared him a formal heretic and no longer pope, it amounts to nothing; if they elect a new pope, they are all in schism. And that’s that.

    • What is liberalism in essence? It is to hold things as true because you *want* them to be true; it is to ignore facts and reason as the source of truth, and replace that with one’s own arbitrary will.
      You say “Even if every cardinal and bishop declared him a formal heretic and no longer pope, it amounts to nothing; if they elect a new pope, they are all in schism. And that’s that.”
      But then you don’t give any reasons or facts to show *why* “that’s that”.
      With all due respect, please consider the implications.

      • Actually, the burden of proof is on those who think the pope is subject to the judgment of men. Here’s a fine article on the subject:
        The War Against the Papacy

        • All right, Cyprian, thank you for some supporting argument.
          I’ve started reading Larson’s stuff. I don’t know if you recall, but you’ve linked to other things on his site, for which I thanked you also. There’s some really good stuff there.
          I’ll have more to say later, but the first thing I do when examining an author’s writings is examine the author first. It very often helps in understanding him. So I read this:
          I’m very glad I did. It is a very touching story.
          Of course, I am not one to let sentiments get in the way of facts. My empathy is between him and me. But he, I and the empathy are nothing compared to the truth.

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