Bishop Barron would not reverse Supreme Court’s decision which legalized same-sex marriage

Bishop Barron would not reverse Supreme Court’s decision which legalized same-sex marriage

[Bishop “Hell is empty” Barron says that the Church is “disordered” in the presentation of Her teaching on sodomy (“intrinsically evil”) and sodomites (“objectively dosordered”); His Excellency is also OK with SCOTUS on sodomarriage]

Joseph Sciambra
1/31/17

Excerpts from interview with Dave Rubin [with Joseph Sciambra’s comments in parentheses]:

With Cardinal Dolan, Bishop Barron spoke about: If the only thing gay person hears from the Catholic Church is you’re “intrinsically disordered” we have a very serious problem on our hands.

(In New York City alone – there are several gay-affirming parishes that regularly sponsor “Pride” masses, organized lectures and retreats given by Catholic “gay” men and women who openly dissent from Church teachings with regards to homosexuality. How then, could anyone possibly believe that there are “gay” people who only hear they are “intrinsically disordered” from the Church – actually, this is probably the one thing they will never hear. In fact, at the 2017 LA Religious Education Congress, where Bishop Barron will also speak, “gay” Catholic Arthur Fitzmaurice, who has spoken at this event several times, has repeatedly stated that in terms of homosexuality, the language in the Catechism is “gravely evil.”)

Bishop Barron: The first thing a “gay” person, like any person should hear, you are a beloved child of God.

(That is beautiful and True, but the first thing “a gay person” should hear is that they are in reality not “a gay person.” You do that by simply not calling them “gay.”)

Bishop Barron: If that’s the way our message was coming out, we were “disordered.”

(If there has been any predominant message coming out from the Church on this issue it has emerged from these gay-affirmative parishes. For instance, an example from the Archdiocese of Los Angeles – a 2013 video series for The IN [Ignatian News] Network on “LGBT Catholics,” included an interview with Javier and Martha Plascencia who are in charge of an officially recognized LGBT outreach in the Archdiocese. Javier will speak at the 2017 LA Congress. When interviewed Martha talked about their “gay” son and the Catechism; Martha said that: “The language in the Catechism has to change. That word ‘intrinsically disordered,’ my son is not intrinsically disordered.” From Most Holy Redeemer Catholic Parish in San Francisco, we hear: “Many of our parishioners are married to their same-sex partners and have adopted children which are baptized at our parish. BTW, none of the parishioners feel that we are “intrinsically disordered” and we have told that to the Archbishop.” And just recently, a dissident priest spoke at a gay-affirmative parish in New York, his main contention: “My disagreement with the current teaching of the Roman Congregations is about what I consider to be their fundamentally flawed premise of the objectively disordered nature of the inclination.” If the Church has been “disordered” in any sense on this issue – it’s that Bishops have allowed for this confusion and open deception to continue completely unchecked. In my 18 years as an ex-gay man, I have never once met a single person who said that a priest, or anyone for that matter – in the Church, told them that they were in any way “disordered.” In truth, the principle complaints are that priests and ministries were typically overly facilitating and gay-approving. The non-issue about language has been used by those who want to essentially change Church teaching; for example, during an interview from 2015, Fr. Donal Godfrey, S.J., the former director of campus ministry at the Jesuit-run University of San Francisco and frequent speaker at Most Holy Redeemer and various other gay-affirming parishes in San Francisco, said: “As a church we need to accept that family goes beyond traditional lines. I don’t expect the teachings to jump to acceptance in one day, it will take decades. In the meantime we need to accept people pastorally as they are and where they are. For now, this would be sufficient. Later the teachings will catch up and evolve.” The Catholic Ministry with Lesbian and Gay Persons (CMLGP), which is the official LGBT outreach for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, is indelibly linked with this gradualist mind-set. In addition to advocating for the inclusion of “…positive language regarding LGBT Catholics, especially for same sex couples in long term relationships,” CMLGP celebrated an “indelible moment” at the 2016 LA Religious Education Congress when “…at the closing liturgy on Sunday…a gay couple and their son helped present gifts at the altar to Archbishop Jose Gomez;” they stated, this was a sign that: “Progress for LGBT Catholics is slow and happens in incremental pieces, and often includes setbacks.”)

Rubin: You’re personal feelings on this matter…I assume you felt it was the wrong decision by the Court – is that fair to say?

Bishop Barron: Yeah, no, I do, but I don’t think I want to press it much further, I think where we are right now in the States, I’ll apply the Aquinas principle, I think it would probably cause much more problem and dissension and difficulty if we kept pressing it.

Rubin: Is this one of the things where, I sense that your heart and your spiritual sense-self, maybe aren’t quite matched up, because I don’t sense judgment from you sitting here, I really don’t and I don’t sense that you want – that you would try to legislate to reverse the decision but I also sense that you can’t fully say to me well it’s okay.

Bishop Barron: Yeah that’s probably right the way you just put it there is probably right. I wouldn’t want to fully just say that’s great off you go, at the same time I wouldn’t want to get on a crusader’s tank and try to reverse that…”

(Would Bishop Barron get on a “crusader’s tank” in order to overturn Roe v. Wade? I assume he would. Why are the lives of those suffering from same sex attraction worth less? Have they not also been victimized by the culture of death?)

For further reading:

Gay Bingo and Rainbow Cupcakes: The disaster of Catholic LGBT outreach

Dissident gay priest to speak at NYC Catholic Parish

“Pride” Priest offers retreat for LGBT Catholics in NYC

LA Religious Ed Speaker says language in The Catechism “gravely evil”

LA Archdiocese: The Church’s stance on homosexuality is “in transition.”

The “gay” church within the Church: Catholicism and the Open Acceptance of Homosexuality

The “gay” church within the Church: LA Archdiocese parish promotes a radical pro-gay agenda

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2 comments on “Bishop Barron would not reverse Supreme Court’s decision which legalized same-sex marriage

  1. Oily, Slimy Bishop Barron Ready For A FrancisChurch Red Hat

    FEB 1 ’17
    Posted by Mundabor

    There is a kind of Catholic Bishop and priest I dislike – and despise – very keenly. They are the “I am with you” fake Catholic priests, who agree with truth in that feeble “don’t get me wrong” way and then proceed to throw so many bones to the other side that you wonder what the heck they have going on in their brain.

    The blogger priest ranting at orthodox Catholics at the non-catholic blogging channel is one of those. The bishop who plays with denial of hell is another one.

    The latter has now given an interview in which he, once again, shows his true (false) colours. He does not openly condemns the Church on sexual perversion, but then again he does, stating that if any priest does not precede his statement of Catholic faith with feel-good waffle according to his own precious wisdom, then the priest in question is “disordered”.

    Notice the double whammy here: he accuses priests in the very same strong terms with which the Church condemns perversion, even as he downplays the very strength of the accusation he makes.

    You see, if a priest can be “disordered” in the same way a pervert is, perversion can’t be so bad after all, can it now? But “don’t get him wrong”, the man “agrees with you” in full on what the Church say, right?

    There is much more wrong that the man says in the interview, but I don’t have the time. What is clear here is that the man is frantically padding down the stream of FrancisChurch, or I should say that he is frantically licking all the boots he can to advance his career.

    The Bishop shouldn’t be worried. His mixture of fake orthodoxy and authentic subversion make of him a perfect candidate for a red hat one day; and he is young, he can wait. The important thing is to never stop exercising that tongue, and reward can’t be too far away.

  2. No wonder Barron eliminated Hell. Now he is eliminating sin.
    This pathetic excuse for a Successor to the Apostles is daring to ignore the clear, unambiguous words of Holy Scripture, including the words of Our Blessed Lord Himself, that tell us that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God, an abomination that will bring fearsome judgement.

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