Madame Bogle Continues to Boggle

Madame Bogle Continues to Boggle

Not worth more than 10 seconds of attention, but at least a barrister of great merit – once again, will this woman EVER shut up ? – sets right what the bubbly bride of another fellow barrister, albeit of that Brit sort, manages to eructate upon – to no discernable purpose.

Joanna Bogle “Explains” Third Secret

Catholic Truth Blog: Keeping the Faith. Telling the Truth.
August 3, 2016
By editor

Way back in October 2013, we discussed Joanna Bogle’s assertion that the Consecration of Russia has been completed, and that Russia is now converted. Click here and prepare to jaw-drop…

Now that we’ve heard it straight from her own lips, and despite all the evidence to the contrary, we’re now to stop worrying ourselves about the unpublished part of the Third Secret – the bit that would enable us to make sense of the published part, the “vision” of a bishop dressed in white, because, well, Joanna knows what the vision means and she’s telling us all so that we will stop thinking that the Vatican line is not the truth. Well, blow me, if only I’d thought to ask Joanna sooner; now, that would have been a scoop. Instead, the (Anything but) Catholic Herald got there first…

Benedict XVI prays in front of a statue of Our Lady of Fatima during a candlelight vigil at the Marian shrine of Fatima

From the Anything-But-Catholic Herald…

No, Benedict XVI hasn’t been brainwashed

by Joanna Bogle
posted Thursday, 28 Jul 2016

The Pope Emeritus stating there is no unpublished secret has only fuelled the Fatima rumour machine

When I was in Rome at the end of May, Benedict XVI issued an important statement in response to scurrilous material published on the internet. An online story had suggested that he had, some years ago, told a friend in conversation that there was an unpublished secret about Fatima. This would have meant that he was untruthful when he announced in 2000 that all the Fatima secrets had been revealed. And he was rather more than just a liar: he would have colluded with fellow “liar” Pope St John Paul to the extent of not only working with him on the Fatima project but also of hastening his beatification and holding him up to the world as an example of moral probity.

Benedict XVI said, rather emphatically, that he had never spoken to his friend about Fatima and that the comments attributed to him were “pure inventions, absolutely untrue”. He stated categorically: “The publication of the Third Secret of Fatima is complete.”

Immediately, the Fatima conspiracy-mongers got to work. They seemed intent on trying to make everyone believe that both St John Paul II and Benedict XVI were rather sinister characters caught up, initially willingly, in a bizarre series of plots.

Following the Pope Emeritus’s statement, the lobbyists started to announce that when he used the word “publication” he didn’t really mean “publication” and that “complete” meant, er, not complete. Another, more popular, theme suggested that Benedict XVI had not made the statement at all: Vatican spokesmen had simply invented it.

Perhaps because I was in Rome, in contact with a great range of people, I became aware of just how absurd and rather horrible all this conspiracy-mongering was. None of these lobbyists seemed to make any attempt to check things out. It is, after all, possible to contact Vatican Radio and the press office. Indeed, the whole system is astonishingly open compared to that of many institutions (such as the many-layered EU). Instead, operating chiefly but not exclusively from America, the diffuse Fatimist rumour machinery whirred and fizzed into action.

There is almost nothing that Fatimists won’t concoct to fuel their fever, and the concocting tends to whirl around the odder reaches of the internet, especially in group emails or comment boxes on blogs.

The main group was formerly run by Fr Nicholas Gruner. He died last year, but the campaigns continue with great energy. In general their message is that St John Paul and the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger lied in 2000 when the Third Secret was published, and that a deep and ever-deepening conspiracy has been established to cover this up.

Part of the problem is a refusal to look at what was revealed in the famous Third Secret and to grasp its message. The vision showed a ruined city and a pope stumbling and being shot at with arrows and falling to the ground. As an image of the battered Church of the 20th century (and the battering continues) it was horribly vivid. From both within the Church and from outside, there have been savage attacks in recent history: we can think not only of Pope St John Paul (the assassination attempt in 1981 and a stabbing at Fatima a year later), but also of the passionate denunciation of Paul VI over Humanae Vitae, and the ongoing battles over things such as same-sex unions or what Pope Francis has correctly called “gender ideology”. Too often, the Church has seemed like a ruined city, and the arrows seem to have come from all directions.

The message of Fatima – affirmed from the very first revelations when the three children spoke of the visions and messages they had received – is about prayer and penance. The Church needs this: the 20th century saw ghastly persecutions and calamities, and the need for penitential prayer is real. If we pray humbly and trust in God, we can know that we are in his loving care. Mary came to assure us of this and call us to such prayer.

But of course this does seem rather dull. After all, prayer and penance are at the heart of the Christian life anyway, so what’s new? And that is just the point – the message of Fatima is, in one sense, hardly new at all. It is the message at the core of our faith: a loving God who yearns to reach our hearts.

Fatima isn’t about fortune telling or about deep dark mysteries that are suddenly blurted out years later in an interview. It is about prayer and penance – and anything that distracts us from that and urges us into internet gossip sessions, books detailing conspiracy theories, or speculation about cardinals hiding secret letters in Vatican wardrobes, is wrong.

Who would want to deflect us from prayer and penance, and why? There really is something horribly sulphurous about such deflection, and the often bullying tone in which it is done is worrying, too.

As Benedict XVI is a manifestly good and noble soul, people are loath to try to convince us that he is a liar. So recently they have switched from making the claim, and instead are now claiming that he is a virtual prisoner; a double is sometimes presented to the public in his place; he has been hypnotised; he is actually now talking in a sort of code; they are putting drugs in his tea … Only the last of those was invented by me; the others are a sample from things I’ve been sent.

Back in 2013, when there was an outbreak of lobbying by the Fatimists, I wrote to Cardinal Raymond Burke, then head of the Apostolic Signatura, expressing my concern. He wrote back: “You are correct that there is much confusion about the message of Our Lady of Fatima, caused especially by Fr Nicholas Gruner, a priest who is not in good standing in the Church, and that this confusion is harmful to many good people who are being led astray about the important message of Our Lady of Fatima.”

Just so. It is time to stop being led astray, and to get on with the prayer and penance. Source

Comment by Catholic Truth Blog:

All of the above is shocking. Bloggers will be able to pinpoint the whoppers, without any help from moi. But what about the Bogle claim that Cardinal Raymond Burke insulted Fr Nicholas Gruner, and repeated the lie that he “[was] not in good standing in the Church”? I say “lie” because it has been proven to be so, not least by Fr Gruner’s own lawyer at a Conference which I attended, where the appropriate letter from Fr Gruner’s archbishop was read to the audience, affirming that he was, indeed, a priest in good standing. Anyone who is in any doubt ought to click here to read all the facts available about this priest – may he rest in peace. She who accuses others of not checking the facts has not bothered to check the facts herself, about the standing of Fr Gruner – here’s an article putting it all in a nutshell… Took me all of a few seconds to find it on a simple Google search, so I suspect she’d have found it – eventually… Yes, I know, I’m very bad. Still, a gal’s gotta have some fun…

The fact is, Joanna Bogle is very far from being an authentic Catholic – in any sense of the word. She is more inclined to Anglicanism, which is ironic, given that her husband is a convert from that schism, and is, by all accounts, a very traditional leaning Catholic who leaves his wife well behind in matters ecclesiastical and liturgical. She is, not to put too fine a point on it, an out and out modernist. Some years ago, when she ran an exhibition in London (to sell her books, I presume), she welcomed The Tablet – they were given their own stall to sell their poison with Mrs Bogle’s shameless support, as she, all the while posed as a defender of Catholic orthodoxy. And yet, she has the sheer nerve to set herself up as a Fatima expert and insult Father Nicholas Gruner RIP. I’ve yet to read anything in any of her writings, attacking any of the countless dissenters who have been at the forefront of the Catholic Church in the UK since 1962. Not once have I read any criticism from her about any modernist priest or bishop. Not once. And Papa Francis? Oh! Don’t even think about it! But don’t take my word for it – here’s her blog. See if you can find anything remotely falling into the category of defending the Faith against dissent and heresy…

Fr Gruner dedicated his entire life to spreading the Message of Our Lady of Fatima. Prayer and penance? She couldn’t even begin to hold a candle to him in that, as in every other aspect of Catholic life and faith. She’s a joke. A dangerous joke, because, being a modernist and an enemy of Our Lady of Fatima, she has ready access to the Catholic press. Pray for her. Do penance for her. But don’t pay the slightest attention to any of her daft ramblings. Please!

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One comment on “Madame Bogle Continues to Boggle

  1. Father Gruner did not invent the suppressed part of the Fatima prophecies. The Blessed Virgin was the source of them, according to Lúcia dos Santos, and this was part of common knowledge about Fatima for decades. Quite obviously the document which contained the words “In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved, etc.” was either lost, stolen, destroyed, or is being suppressed for reasons unknown. It is not “conspiracy mongering” to state that these words existed and were part of the public record about Fatima for a long time. The liberal habit of slandering opponents as “conspiracy-mongers” is sloppy and unserious. Clearly, according to many witnesses, those words existed as part of the Fatima prophecies. It is not a “conspiracy theory” of unsubstantiated rumor but part of the public record of numerous, credible witnesses, priests, bishops, and cardinals. Modernists may be unhappy about it, but their argument is with Sister Lúcia and the Blessed Virgin Mary.

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