Wherein Pope Francis and Card. Burke agree about ‘Amoris laetitia’

Wherein Pope Francis and Card. Burke agree about ‘Amoris laetitia’

[Fr. Z tries to make a point but stretches it to the breaking point and beyond]

Posted on 7 July 2016 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Card. Schoenborn gave an interview about Amoris laetitia to Antonio Spadaro, SJ an excerpt of which is in Civiltà Cattolica. Almost before the excerpt was released MS Winters at the National Sodomitic Reporter issued a 1500 word fatwah proclaiming Schoenborn’s infallibility, while also taking pot shots at Card. Burke (of course) and Archbp. Chaput.

Most of what Winters wrote (and, darn, he can write fast – its almost as if he wrote it before it was released) – is of little interest.

But there is something that must be addressed immediately.

Pace MS Winters, Fr. Spadaro, SJ and Card. Schönborn, there really is a dispute about the magisterial authority of Amoris laetitia.

Liberals like Card. Schönborn simply assert that “of course it is magisterial!” However, if you read Schönborn closely (and he really should know better than to argue the way he did, which wasn’t really an argument at all) you will not find any explanations to back up his claims.

There is an adage, “Gratis asseritur, gratis negatur“. Something that someone simply asserts without proofs, can simply be denied by others.

Consider this. Francis himself sets aside the concept of magisterial teaching in Amoris laetitia in the THIRD PARAGRAPH. Allow me to quote it for you:

3. Since “time is greater than space”, I would make it clear that not all discussions of doctrinal, moral or pastoral issues need to be settled by interventions of the magisterium. [Did you get that? If not, go back to the beginning and read it again.] Unity of teaching and practice is certainly necessary in the Church, but this does not preclude various ways of interpreting some aspects of that teaching or drawing certain consequences from it.

Nota bene: This is the only reference to “magisterium” in all of Amoris laetitia. Did you get that, too? Because “time is greater than space”, he sets aside the concept of magisterium in the THIRD PARAGRAPH.

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“Time is greater than space” [Whatever that means]

This is what has led some to conclude that Francis is not invoking his magisterial authority.

It was Card. Burke who first pointed out this pesky, stubborn FACT, by the way.

“But Father! But Father!”, some of you liberals, lefties and “questioning” will blurt, “If what you say is true, then neither is Familiaris consortio magisterial! Neither is Sacramentum caritatis! But you can’t see that because you hate Vatican II!”

To which I respond, neither John Paul II nor Benedict XVI said anything in their Post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortations to distance their documents from their ordinary magisterium.

Benedict XVI wrote books about Our Lord while he was Pope. He said that these books weren’t part of his magisterium, rather like Francis did in Amoris laetitia.

So… please, someone… PROVE that Pope Francis and Card. Burke are wrong when Francis says in Amoris laetitia 3 that this document isn’t magisterial.

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4 comments on “Wherein Pope Francis and Card. Burke agree about ‘Amoris laetitia’

  1. Fr. Z says:

    So… please, someone… PROVE that Pope Francis and Card. Burke are wrong when Francis says in Amoris laetitia 3 that this document isn’t magisterial.

    Unless Cardinal Burke is the Pope or a mind-reader, he cannot speak as Pope or divinize His Holiness’ overall intent, although His Eminence has said that Amoris Laetitia is “personal not magisterial.”

    While Francis said something similar in his earlier apostolic exhortation “Evangelii Gaudium” and his encyclical “Laudato Si”, elsewhere he says what is magisterial:

    I wrote an encyclical [now two]—true enough, it was by four hands [with Benedict XVI]—and an apostolic exhortation [also now two]. I’m constantly making statements, giving homilies. That’s magisterium.

    Or, to put it in doggerel verse:

    I am the Pope of this Body Ecclesial,
    And anything I write or say is magisterial.

    While Benedict XVI says that the books about Our Lord that he wrote while he was Pope are not part of his magisterium, he did not say the same about his encyclicals and apostolic exhortations.

    Also, Frankenpope defers to Cardinal Schonborn (“a great theologian who knows the doctrine of the Church”) for the final word on the interpretation of Amoris Laetitia especially in His Eminence’s address at the presentation of the apostolic exhortation:

    “In that presentation your question will have the answer.”

  2. So… please, someone… PROVE that Pope Francis and Card. Burke are wrong when Francis says in Amoris laetitia 3 that this document isn’t magisterial.

    (What’s good for the goose …) PROVE that Cdl. Ratzinger was wrong when he said that Vatican II didn’t define doctrine.

  3. Re: “Time is greater than space”
    www.waragainstbeing.com/node/69

  4. Frankie is pointing to Schonborn and telling Catholics to listen to his analysis of AL and Schonborn is telling us its binding “doctrine.”

    Z needs to return to posting pics of what he had for dinner last night. The man is insufferable.

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