Pope Francis Won’t be “Tied Down by Ultraconservatives”?

Pope Francis Won’t be “Tied Down by Ultraconservatives”?

Posted by Tancred on 7/3/16

Edit: another staged “interview” wholly manufactured by a leftist journalist? Here’s what liberal Crux has to say. He does give Catholics a lot of credit, and himself too much… If this is really what he said.

Allegedly saying Pope Benedict is a “revolutionary”.

He’s also trying to stage manage accusations back home that he was implicated in the so-called “Dirty War”.

ROME-Pope Francis has vowed in a new interview that he won’t be slowed down by resistance from “ultra-conservatives” in the Church who “say no to everything,” insisting, “I’m going ahead without looking over my shoulder.”

The pontiff also suggested he has no intention of launching a crackdown on the opposition, saying, “I don’t cut off heads. That was never my style. I’ve never liked doing that.” [Yes you do, and you probably enjoy it, too.]

Weary of rumors that continue to circulate in his home country, Francis also told one of Argentina’s most respected journalists that there is no rift between him and the recently elected government of Mauricio Macri. [Another lie.]

“Don’t look for reasons [for conflict],” he said. “There’s no historical motive for saying that I have a problem with Macri.”

The June 28 conversation was with journalist Joaquín Morales Solá, who writes for La Nacion in Argentina. It was Morales who used the word “ultra-conservative” to describe internal resistance to the pope, and Francis said he “rejects conflict” with them.

“They do their job, and I do mine,” the pope said.

“I want a Church that is open, understanding, that accompanies wounded families,” he said.

“They say no to everything. I go ahead, without looking over my shoulder.” [No mention of salvation of souls?]

Yet with what Morales described as a “wide smile,” the pontiff continued: “Nails are removed by applying pressure to the top … or, you set them aside to rest when the age of retirement arrives.”

The “nails” reference is often heard in Rome, used to refer to prelates who, having been bad administrators in their diocese – not criminally so, but simply inefficient – get appointed to a Vatican office. The suggestion appeared to be that Francis is slowly getting rid of people he perceives as problems, in many cases by waiting for them to reach the normal retirement age and then appointing someone else.

Another question was about emeritus Pope Benedict XVI, who Francis said has “problems moving, but his head and his memory are intact, perfect.”

The pope says that his predecessor was a “revolutionary,” of “unmatched generosity.”

“His resignation made all the problems of the Church clear,” Francis said. “It had nothing to do with personal things. It was an act of government, his last act of government.”
On the subject of Macri, which constituted the bulk of the interview, Francis said he has no problem with the president.

“I don’t like conflicts,” the pontiff said. “I’m tired of repeating this.”
Francis said that he had only one run-in with Macri during the six years the two worked together in Buenos Aires, one as archbishop and the other as mayor.

“Only once in a long time,” he said. “The average is very low.”

Newspapers from those six years address two possible points of conflict, but only one with a direct role by Bergoglio, in 2009: Argentina’s first gay marriage. It took place in Buenos Aires almost a year before the country legally approved gay marriage.

The wedding became possible because the couple found a judge in Macri’s city who ruled that Argentina’s civil code was “unconstitutional” because it didn’t allow for same-sex marriage.

The future pope released a statement saying the union “sets a serious precedent in the legislative history of our country and throughout Latin America.”

According to the statement, Bergoglio and his six auxiliary bishops, who also signed it, regretted that Macri hadn’t allowed for the “completely illegal ruling” to be appealed, which could have opened the door to a deeper debate on a matter of “such transcendence.”

“Affirming the heterosexuality of marriage is not discrimination, but to begin from an objective fact that is its foundation,” the bishops said.

Morales Sola writes that the pope knows of the alleged “coldness” between himself and Macri, and insists throughout the conversation that he doesn’t know where those rumors originate.

“We had some other problems, which we spoke about privately and which we resolved privately. And the two of us always respected the privacy agreement,” Francis said.

Another issue Morales Sola delves into is the pope’s decision to welcome to the Vatican Hebe de Bonafini, the founder of the Mothers of Plaza de Mayo movement, a divisive figure in Argentina who’s been openly critical of Bergoglio and the Catholic Church.

“Even a friend sent me a letter criticizing me for this,” Francis said.

“It was an act of forgiveness,” he said. “She asked for forgiveness and I didn’t deny her it. I don’t deny it to anyone.”

“She is a woman who had two of her children killed,” he said. “I bend over, kneel down in front of such suffering. I don’t care what she said about me. And I know she’s said horrible things in the past.”

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8 comments on “Pope Francis Won’t be “Tied Down by Ultraconservatives”?

  1. “I bend over, kneel down in front of such suffering”

    Yet he won’t kneel down in front of the Blessed Sacrament, which is the only Person who can make sense of “such suffering”. Bergoglio’s a fake.

  2. Bonafini didn’t ask for forgiveness. The pope invited her! Tom posted this about her earlier angelqueen.org/2016/05/11/pope-francis-offers-private-audience-to-ultra-leftist-activist-who-once-defecated-behind-altar-at-buenos-aires-cathedral/

    Bonafini (wiki) was asking for an apology for the Church’s involvement in the 1970’s Dirty War, a “right wing” military junta that “disappeared” up to 20,000 opponents, including Marxists and Peronists. Her three children were among the victims.

    Bonafini wrote the pope:

    In May of last year, Bonafini established the conditions necessary in order to accept the Pope’s invitations to the Vatican. “Bergoglio is always inviting me to go. I asked him for several things which, if he does them, I will go”, she said. The head of Mothers said that she had asked Francis to recognize that the Church “had much involvement in the repression” during the last military dictatorship and that it celebrate “a Mass for all the priests and nuns of the Third World who ‘disappeared’”.

    Months later, she sent him another letter in which she transmitted to the Pope her desire for the Argentinian Church to ask for pardon and reconciliation. “I am in despair and I keep asking myself: Where was God when our sons were tossed into the sea from laden airplanes? I will remind you that those who armed and flew those planes, upon their return to the ground were absolved by priests who justified everything by telling themselves that it was to save the nation.”

    I don’t know anything about the junta, but have indeed heard about throwing people out of airplanes. It sounds like a banana republic terrorist operation, something too common south of the border. I can’t believe that the Church, itself a leftist operation and even targeted later in the junta, had the involvement Bonafini claims. Does anyone have a Catholic perspective on this?

  3. Captain Kirk: Mister Spock! Pope Francis not getting tied down by “ultra-conservatives”….
    analyze using your usual superior Vulcan logic!

    Spock: Fascinating, Captain. However, during the Year of Mercy under the Bergoglian pontificate, in the interests of ecumenical dialogue and the new evangelization of culture, we do not speak of logic as being superior out of concern for not appearing to be too rigid or judgmental. Although excessive rigidity has fallen out of fashion, it is possible that the ties that bind “ultra-conservatives” are well under control in progressive modernist hands.

    Robin: If we could just get untied from these progressive modernist ropes…

    Batman: Be careful, Robin. The Novus Ordo double knot can be tricky….

    Father Mulcahy, S.J.: Oh, I’m sure we covered the double binds of modernism and the Novus Ordo in our seminar on Erich Fromm…

    Hans Küng: I would like to address that….

    Father Sarducci: Of course, neo-Kantian double binds are the ones that can be hard to get untied. Particularly when the hermeneutic circles of discontinuity are involved.

    Reverend Neuhaus: That’s my opening. Forgive me for interrupting again as aggressive and pushy professional Protestant converts sometimes do, but I would like to say something here about the Naked Public Square in modernity and Professor Charles Taylor’s secularization theories….

  4. Küng Fu: Modernism the Legend Continues

    Kwai Chang: Master, is this like the rope trick of Indian fakirs?

    Master Po: Ah, Grasshopper, there are many rope tricks in progressive modernism.

    Robin: If we could just get untied from these progressive modernist ropes…

    Batman: Be careful, Robin. The Novus Ordo double knot can be tricky….Try not to appear too rigid.

    Kwai Chang: Are there many rope tricks in progressive modernism, Master?

    Master Po: Ah, Grasshopper, so many that you will find yourself tied up in hermeneutic circles most of the time!

  5. [… and won’t get opposition from the Pope Emeritus]

    Brothers in arms: how Benedict is helping Francis fight intrigue in the Vatican

    Michael Kelly
    PUBLISHED 02/07/2016

    Pope Francis and retired Pope Benedict XVI embrace during a
    ceremony to celebrate the 65th anniversary of Pope Benedict’s ordination as a priest, in the Clementine Hall of the Apostolic Palace at the Vatican this week.

    To the casual observer, Pope Francis’s recent admission that he believes retired Pope Benedict XVI “had my back” over the past three years may seem like nothing more than a polite hat-tip to his predecessor. But the remark actually reveals a deep undercurrent of resistance to reform that Benedict’s steady presence in a small residence in the Vatican gardens is helping the Argentine Pope overcome.

    It’s not by accident that when Francis gives public addresses, he reserves his sharpest criticism for Vatican officials. While the overwhelming majority of people who work in the Church’s central administration are dedicated and hard-working officials, there has long been a hard-core element machinating against reform, often for alleged financial gain.
    It has long been a staple of the Italian press to report on controversial allegations emanating from the Holy See – whether it has been links to the Sicilian Mafia or Masonic bodies, there has been plenty of smoke.

    When Jorge Bergoglio was elected Pope three years ago, the first item in his in-tray was a blistering 300-page report from a special commission that his predecessor Benedict XVI had established to investigate alleged corruption in the heart of the Vatican.
    Many observers think that it was the details in this report that precipitated the unprecedented resignation of the German Pontiff.

    In stepping down, Benedict made it known that his work was done – he would not act on the report, but instead would leave it for his successor.

    To describe the last years of Benedict’s papacy as turbulent would be an understatement. In an emotional farewell address in 2013, Benedict told pilgrims that there were times “when the seas were rough and the wind blew against us and it seemed that the Lord was sleeping”.

    It was an oblique reference to what has become known as ‘Vatileaks’, a scandal that culminated in Benedict’s closest aide, Paolo Gabriele, being imprisoned after stealing confidential documents from the Pontiff’s private study in the papal apartment.
    But far from being an act of treachery, Gabriele’s theft and subsequent leaking of documents that exposed financial mismanagement was a cack-handed attempt to throw the Pope a lifeline and thwart those in the highest echelons of the Roman Curia who were resisting Benedict’s attempts to clean up the house.

    But, ultimately, Benedict didn’t feel up to the fight and when the cardinals met to select a new Pope in 2013, with Vatican financial reform top of the agenda, it was the Archbishop of Buenos Aires they chose.

    And Francis has hit the ground running. Whether it is setting up new watchdogs to monitor the Vatican Bank or clearing out dysfunctional offices, he has moved with abandon and upset vested interests along the way.

    But Benedict has proved himself both a loyal son of the Church and an obedient servant of the new regime. It’s no secret Benedict and Francis have different styles. Benedict has a fondness for liturgical practices that leave Francis cold. The German former professor thinks and speaks with the clarity of a theologian, while the Argentine former nightclub bouncer has a freewheeling style when it comes to communications. But the Pope is the Pope and Francis revealed this week that Benedict had even chastised some nostalgic faithful who were complaining about the “new Pope”.

    Benedict has consistently made it clear that he is no rival to Francis. In refusing to host a rival court, he has left no space for Francis’s detractors to find succour within the walls of the Vatican. His stubborn rejection of involvement in the day-to-day activities of the Holy See also means disgruntled officials are unable to cloak their critique with phrases like “well, Benedict thinks…” or “the previous Pope says…”

    There’s also the fact that Benedict XVI spent 25 years working in the Vatican before his election in 2005. He won huge respect from mandarin curialists for his understanding of their often eccentric patterns of behaviour. It was, arguably, this deference to the curious ways of Vatican intrigue that left Benedict impotent when it came to implementing much-needed reforms.

    But, just as only an unyielding opponent of communism like Richard Nixon could establish US-China relations, perhaps only Benedict XVI can offer the background support that Francis needs to push his radical reform agenda. As long as Benedict makes it known that he is an unwavering supporter of the Francis-era reforms, those senior officials hostile to reform have no option but to bite their lips.

    Perhaps Benedict’s emergence as a potent but unlikely bodyguard for Francis should come as less of a surprise. Benedict’s pre-papal Vatican role as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was essentially as a watchdog to guard the Catholic faith.
    After the election of Pope Francis, Benedict was first on the phone to pledge his loyalty and reminded cardinals that their absolute duty was to serve the new Pope. Francis’s assurance that Benedict “had my back” over the past three years is a natural extension of the 89-year-old German’s instinct to protect the Church and the Church’s chief shepherd, the Pope. And it’s clearly mutual: speaking this week at an event to mark the 65th anniversary of his priestly ordination, Benedict said that he too “feels protected” by Francis.

    It’s a far cry from a narrative that wants to see the two men in opposition to one another. And, while the absence of a rival court certainly makes reporting life at the Vatican less interesting for the Roman press corps, it empowers Francis to push ahead with the reforms that Catholics long for.

  6. Captain Kirk: Mister Spock! Pope Emeritus Benedict helping Pope Francis with intrigue in the Vatican… analyze using your usual superior Vulcan logic!

    Spock: Perhaps by joining as a team they find that they are able to ride the modernist Dialectic to Absurdistan together, ignoring the obvious contradictions between progressive modernism and the neo-Pelagian triumphalism of excessively rigid ultra-conservative defenders of Catholic orthodoxy?

    Captain Kirk: Do you think that could work, Spock? Wouldn’t that confuse Protestants and secular liberal journalists?

    Spock: He is a Jesuit, Captain.

    I believe it was the American philosopher Kerry Wendell Thornley, writing under a nom de plume as Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst in the Principia Discordia, who reported once seeing a Jesuit distract a frog by twiddling his fingers with his left hand in front while scooping him up with his right hand from behind.

    Father Mulcahy, S.J.: Oh, I thought we weren’t supposed to reveal that trick.
    Of course, Father Mike demonstrated it using garden toads at Wernersville….

    Father Sarducci: He’s just kidding, folks! Irish Catholic humor…

    Father O’Malley: Oh, I think that’s an old joke, Sister.
    We had some problems with the Christian Brothers, but you have to watch out
    for the gypsies, too!

    Captain Kirk: Do you think the same principle applies here, Spock?
    That is, to the modernist Dialectic and neo-Kantian hermeneutic circles….

    Spock: The thought had occurred to me, Captain.
    It is a distinct and logical possibility which we should take under consideration.

  7. Captain Kirk: But I thought you said that we shouldn’t use logic out of concern for not appearing to be too rigid or judgmental.

    Spock: What I actually said was that during the Year of Mercy under the Bergoglian pontificate, in the interests of ecumenical dialogue and the new evangelization of culture, we should not speak of logic as being superior out of concern for not appearing to be too rigid or judgmental. Beyond rigidity, there is, of course, an additional multicultural concern about the logocentric and Eurocentric microaggressions involved in the use of Aristotelian logic in general.

    Father Mulcahy, S.J.: Oh, at Fordham, Father Gannon, Father McCool, and Father W. Norris Clarke always insisted that we study logic along with epistemology, metaphysics, ethics, rational psychology, and natural theology. Of course, that was in the pre-microaggression era.

    Father Fitzgibbon: Let’s not forget sacramental theology!

    Captain Kirk: Are microaggressions really a problem, Mister Spock?

    Spock: Affirmative, Captain. We will have to have a long talk at some point, Jim.
    When you have time, of course.

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