Pope Francis Repeats Kasper’s Scandalous Statement: “Luther Was Right”

Pope Francis Repeats Kasper’s Scandalous Statement: “Luther Was Right”

Text: Giuseppe Nardi
Trans: Tancred

Edit: more magisterium by aerial press conference.

(Rome) Besides the Brexit, a “new EU”, the rejection of deaconesses, Pope Francis spoke on the return flight from Armenia on Martin Luther and the Protestant Revolt.

The Pope was asked in connection with his participation in a “Reformation commemoration” next 31st October in Sweden, if it would not be the “right moment, to commemorate the mutually inflicted wounds,” but “only to recognize the ‘gifts’ of the Reformation and perhaps consider lifting the excommunication of Luther.”

The Pope repeated in his reply, more or less, that which Cardinal Walter Kasper wrote what appeared in his last 14 March book “Martin Luther. An Ecumenical Perspective “(Patmos), whose scandalous key message is: “Luther was right.” The reverse conclusion is: The Catholic Church was wrong. Francis indeed did not say this on the return journey, but the message has since been aired, continuing for months a significant drive towards a bow to Lutheranism. Here Pope Francis also includes Calvinism. Pope Francis has mentioned and commended the non-binding Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification of the Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church in 1999, while he did not mention one word on the binding Catholic Declaration Dominus Iesus, on the unicity and salvific universality of Jesus Christ and the Church from 2000.

Pope Francis said:

“I believe that the intentions of Luther were not wrong. He was a reformer. Perhaps some methods were not right, but at that time, when we read the story by [Ludwig von] Pastor – a German Lutheran who converted and became a Catholic – we see that the Church was not exactly a worthwhile model: it was corruption, worldliness, attachment to money and power. Therefore, he protested. He was intelligent and took a step forward and justified why he did it. Today we are unified as Protestants and Catholics on the doctrine of justification in agreement, and on this very important point, he was not wrong. He made a medicine for the Church, then he consolidated this medicine to a discipline, ito make it a way, a belief. And then Zwingli, Calvin had these principles behind them: “cuius regio, eius religio [‘Whose realm, his religion’, meaning that the religion of the ruler was to dictate the religion of those ruled. – Wikipedia].” [UNTRUE that these were Zwingli and Calvin’s principles; that was the principle of the 1555 Peace of Augusburg between the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V and the German princes, establishing the religion in each of those states based on whether the ruler was Catholic or Lutheran; Zwinglianism and Calvinism were not included in the deal. – AQ moderator Tom] We must put ourselves in the history of that time. It is not easy to understand. Then things have gone further. This document on justification is one of the richest. There are divisions, even in the Lutheran Church there is a lack of unity. The diversity is what has perhaps been so bad for us, and now we are looking for the way to meet after 500 years. I believe that we need to pray together in the first place. Secondly, we need to work for the poor, the refugees, many people suffering, and finally that the theologians may study together … That’s a long way. I once jokingly said: I know, when the day of full unity will be: The day after the return of the Lord. We do not know when the Holy Spirit will effect this grace. Meanwhile, however, we must work together for peace.”

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10 comments on “Pope Francis Repeats Kasper’s Scandalous Statement: “Luther Was Right”

  1. [Hat-tip to HowlinglyAbsurd]

    Father Mulcahy, S.J.: Which invokes the old rule: always ask a recovering Lutheran for inside knowledge on Catholic controversies …

    [Which “recovering” Anglican clergyman and now married Catholic priest, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, did of a former Lutheran pastor, who is now a married Catholic deacon and “pastoral associate” at Fr. Longenecker’s parish]

    Pope Francis and Martin Luther

    June 29, 2016

    My article for CRUX this week critiques Pope Francis’ remarks on the airplane about Martin Luther:

    No one would disagree that the ecumenical path is difficult, and most everyone would agree that the Protestant revolt was tragic. We would all also affirm with Pope Francis that, as Christian brothers and sisters, we should continue to work and pray together as much as possible.

    It is the imprecision that accompanies Pope Francis’ warm and fuzzy talk that increasingly frustrates many Catholics. I asked Richard Ballard, a Catholic deacon, who was a Lutheran pastor for twenty-five years, what he made of Pope Francis’ response.

    He expressed some exasperation with the Holy Father, and made three main observations and objections.

    The first is that the Protestant movement sparked by Martin Luther was not a legitimate reformation of the church. It was an open rebellion against the Catholic Church that ended not just in one schism, but in thousands. It also led to civil unrest, bloodshed, rebellion and revolution that tore Christendom apart.

    In that respect, Ballard opines, Pope Francis’ opinion is simply wrong. Martin Luther’s intentions were mistaken.

    Go here for the full article.

  2. We have so MANY Protestants acting as self-appointed popes anathematizing Catholics that it is hard to keep up with all of the confusion and heresy!

    Obviously, there is no reason to ask or consult a real Catholic when a completely uninformed Protestant can make up the answers!

  3. “An ex-Anglican, a Lutheran, and a South American progressive modernist walk into a bar….”

    • We know who the ex-Anglican is – namely, Fr. Dwight Longenecker:


      I am not sure who the South American progressive modernist is: Whether Pope Francis or one of his South American progressive modernist friends such as Bolivian president Evo Morales:


      Also, I am not sure who is the Lutheran.

      If you meant to write “ex-Lutheran,” then it would most likely be Fr. Longenecker’s “pastoral associate” Deacon Richard Ballard:


      Or it could be another ex-Lutheran who occasionally appears on your slideshow-like comments – namely the late neo-con and neo-Catholic Fr. Richard Neuhaus:

      Reverend Neuhaus: That’s my opening. Forgive me for interrupting again as aggressive and pushy professional Protestant converts sometimes do, but I would like to say something about the Naked Public Square in …

      If you meant what you literally wrote (“Lutheran”), it could be one or another of Pope Francis’ favorite Lutheran bishops – male or female:


  4. Neuhaus would probably be designated a lapsed Lutheran in a technical sense. Not sure who the Catholics are that Papa Shea consults before launching his fatwas and anathemas. Given the widespread homosexualization of the modernist priesthood and its clericalism it might be understandable why Rod Dreher finds things confusing. However, I wish the professional Protestant convert (and ex-convert) bloggers would learn to distinguish between Catholicism and progressive modernism. The distinction matters and the latter is a heresy. The scandals of the Bergoglian pontificate, hence, are modernist scandals and exhibit modernist errors, not Catholic ones. Bergoglio’s almost comical retro ’70s Spirit of Vatican II progressive neo-modernist chic is, sadly, very familiar to those of us who endured the American branch of the Society of Jesus in the decade following Vatican II. There is NOTHING surprising about many of the things Bergoglio says and does. It’s like they are SNL parodies of similar modernist episodes we endured from Drinan, Berrigan, et al., in the past. Bergoglio’s dissembling Situation Ethics is reminiscent of CUA’s Charles Curran. Future Church historians should study both cases since they shed so much light on one another.

    I’m trying to think of a similar parody that exudes the same comical absurdity as Bergoglio’s nostalgic revival of the retro Spirit of Vatican II. Did you ever read Commonweal in the 1970s? Or CrossCurrents? Ever been to a Novus Ordo folk guitar Mass where Jonathan Livingston Seagull served as the Gospel reading?

    Something will come to mind…

    • HowlinglyAbsurd says:

      I’m trying to think of a similar parody that exudes the same comical absurdity as Bergoglio’s nostalgic revival of the retro Spirit of Vatican II.

      Try this – ironically from a Lutheran source – and early in his pontificate:

      Frank the Hippie Pope

      Published on Oct 20, 2013

      Why does Pope Francis keep saying things that make it sound like the Catholic Church doesn’t teach what the Catholic Church teaches? Because, dude, like, mellow out, man.


  5. Pope Francis exudes a progressive modernist Catholic version of liberal guilt. He genuflects at the altar of liberal guilt to the point of parody. It’s sad. It is reminiscent of some of the East Europeans who were still wearing pirated flared bell-bottom jeans in the 1980s. He could be in a sequel to Wayne’s World or a Cheech and Chong movie, if they made another one. As a liberal hippie priest.

    In fact, there was a liberal hippie clergyman of this type in the comic strip Doonesbury (Reverend Sloan):

    Everyone knew a liberal hippie priest of this type in the ’70s. That is where the stereotype comes from.

    • Yep. It’d be funny if it didn’t fit the pope like a glove.

      If Bergoglio has actually arrived at the true religion, as taught by the progressive feel-good hippie priests and their ilk in the 70’s, then it’s time to retire to the couch, download Beatles albums or Pink Floyd, get some “medicinal” weed, and slide numbly into eternity. There is no God.

  6. They have the progressive modernist number on Bergoglio down pretty well. Lutherans may be heretical and wrong on their history and philosophy, but they really need that sense of humor and satire working, particularly in Minnesota!

    If I am remembering the Spirit of Vatican II scene in the 1970s accurately, there were at least two different varieties of liberal hippie priest modernists. There was the touchy-feely kind (Father FeelGood) who had mastered the lingo and jargon of pop psychology (The Third Force, Abraham Maslow’s self-actualization pyramids, Carl Rogers, Erich Fromm, etc.). But there were also the angry, radical Liberation theology types who were looking for spoiled middle-class kids in the suburbs to harangue into bummers about Third World poverty and Latin American Marxist revolutionary movements, laying on absurd liberal guilt trips. This was a new form of neo-Jansenism, far more grim and severe than the anti-sex Jansenists of the 1950s and pre-Vatican II era. Strangely, Bergoglio manages to combine BOTH of these types into one progressive modernist lunacy. Regarding homosexuals, “who am I to judge?” Bergoglio intones piously with touch-feely virtue signalling. But for the neo-Pelagian triumphalists, he JUDGES and JUDGES and JUDGES. Boy, does he judge, finger wag, lecture, and whine. I have yet to see any of the major neo-Catholic modernist journalists discuss these contradictory postures and place them within the proper recent history of post-conciliar progressive modernism of the hippie typology. Prove me wrong, Phil, George, R.R., Robert, Garry, Ross. Get some real cradle Catholics on the phone. Is James Hitchcock still out there somewhere? We need an updated edition of The Pope and the Jesuits from Catholic Eye for the Bergoglian Web era.

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