Pope Pops Off Again at Altitude

Pope Pops Off Again at Altitude: Catholics Who Believe in Absolute Truth Are “Evil”, Fundamentalist Christians Start Wars, Muslim Values Are My Values, Ignore Church’s Teaching on Contraception Until All Drinking Water is Safe, It’s MY Church and I’m Just Like Jesus


Posted by Oakes Spalding at MahoundsParadise.blogspot.com on MONDAY, NOVEMBER 30, 2015

More from Rorate-Caeli/blogspot.com posted by Adfero. at 12/01/2015:

Another Papal interview — another massive mess

Pope Francis, in yet another Papal press scrum aboard his plane back to Rome from Africa, has once again put dogma on the table and has caused even more confusion with the Faithful already either completely confused or completely ignoring the eternal Church teaching on the issue of artificial contraception.

Some reports are saying he dodged the reporter’s question; some say he was unclear. Some are saying flat out he is supporting the use of condoms to stop disease — which would assume people like the Africans just can’t possibly be taught God’s ways of preventing sexually transmitted diseases (Cardinal Kasper would agree, we assume).

Oh, and dear readers, please understand: Francis despises you, and considers your beliefs — your sensus fidelium — “idolatrous.” But never cease praying for him.

Via Damien Thompson & The Spectator:

Pope Francis backs condoms to stop Aids and declares war on Catholic ‘fundamentalists’

Pope Francis has used another mid-flight press conference to make a statement of significance to millions of Catholics. Asked if the Church should drop its opposition to the use of condoms to stop the spread of Aids (a teaching already modified by Benedict XVI), he effectively declared that the debate was a waste of time. He compared the use of condoms against disease to Jesus’s practice – opposed by the Pharisees on legalistic grounds – of healing on the Sabbath. ‘Healing is obligatory!’ he said. Earlier in the interview, the Pope took aim at Catholic ‘fundamentalists’ whose attachment to rules was ‘idolatrous’. Here’s a transcript from RomeReports:

Question: Aids is a serious problem in Africa, the epidemic continues. We know that prevention is the key and that condoms are not the only means of stopping the epidemic, but it is an important part of the solution. Is it not perhaps time for the Church to change its position with regard to the use of condoms in order to prevent infections?

Pope: The question seems biased to me. Yes, it is one of the methods, the morality of the Church faces a bit of a predicament here. The fifth or the sixth commandment: defend life or a sexual relationship that is open to life. But this is not the problem. There is a greater problem than this: this question makes me think of the question they once asked Jesus: tell me Master, is it acceptable to heal on a Saturday? Healing is obligatory! Malnutrition, exploitation, slave labour, the lack of drinking water, these are the problems. We’re not talking about which plaster we should use for which wound. The great injustice is social injustice, the great injustice is malnutrition. I don’t like making such casuistic reflections when there are people dying because of a lack of water and hunger. Think about arms trafficking. When these problems cease to exist, then I think we can ask ourselves the question: is it acceptable to heal on a Saturday? Why are arms still being manufactured? Wars are the leading cause of death. Forget about whether it is acceptable or not to heal on a Saturday. Make justice and when everyone is healed, when there is no injustice in this world, then we can talk about Saturday.

Five years ago Benedict XVI said that the use of condoms to prevent the spread of Aids could be justified in specific circumstances. Francis apparently thinks the debate is ‘casuistic’ when Africa is suffering from the plagues of warfare, starvation and slavery in addition to HIV. ‘The morality of the Church faces a bit of a predicament here’, he says – and it’s not the only area where he has harsh words for Catholics who apply moral teachings harshly. Elsewhere in the interview he rages against Catholic ‘fundamentalists’:

[Pope:] In the Catholic Church we have some – many – who believe they possess the absolute truth and they go on sullying others through slander and defamation and this is wrong. I say this because it is my Church. Religious fundamentalism must be combatted. It is not religious, God is lacking, it is idolatrous. What religious leaders need to do is convince people who have these tendencies. Fundamentalism that ends in tragedy or commits crimes is a bad thing but it exists in all religions.

Considering the interview as a whole (full transcript here), I’m dismayed by his simplistic (and now familiar) analysis of poverty in the developing world, supported by statistics that Francis ‘read somewhere’. Africa is a victim; end of story. As for these Catholic fundamentalists, the question everyone will be asking is: who does he mean? What, precisely, qualifies as Catholic fundamentalism? As I keep having to say after these Bergoglian improvisations, your guess is as good as mine.

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4 comments on “Pope Pops Off Again at Altitude

  1. [Don’t forget what he said on the ground]

    Pope Francis Demands A Scripture Rewrite

    Christopher Manion – 11/27/15

    In Nairobi, the pope calls for “eliminating carbon use” on a continent where tens of millions of poor families burn wood to heat their homes and cook their food.

    (He somehow failed to note that Jesus cooked fish for his apostles over burning coals – John 21:9).

    Meanwhile, U.S. bishops join their colleagues to demand a binding global agreement on global warming, while the pope’s feckless Peronist sidekick insists that opponents of such an agreement are evil Tea Party members who make their living selling oil.

    Not to be outdone, New York’s Cardinal Dolan, faced with the most antiCatholic administration in living memory, pleads with Obama: “Mr. President, we want to be with you, we want to be strong” – in fact, he insists, America’s bishops long to be Obama’s “cheerleaders!”

    Is it any wonder that thirty million Catholics have left the church?

    And why would the successors of the apostles want to be “Cheerleaders for Caesar”?

    For fifty years, America’s bishops have avoided the tough, unpopular issues that go against the grain of the popular culture while they embrace the “Social Justice” causes of the welfare-state agenda. This practice is called “clericalism” – when a bishop abuses his religious authority to assert that his political opinions are “Gospel.” It is a defect – condemned by the Church for centuries, because it is such a strong temptation.

    The Catholic Church places all decisions regarding social and political policy firmly in the hands of the laity, not the clergy. And it’s no sin when the laity disagree on those particulars – even with bishops.

    What to do?

    Perhaps the laity might demand that their bishops preach not politics, but the truths of the faith, on which many of them have become strangely silent.

    Consider: in recent years, Catholic bishops have received tens of billions of taxpayer dollars from the federal government for the bureaucracies that run their NGO’s. Catholic hospitals and colleges receive billions more.

    And that door swings both ways, as Howard Baker used to say. In fact, years ago Obama got his first community organizer grant from the Catholic Church. And left-wing Catholic lobbies now brag that Obama has returned the favor, increasing the taxpayer funding of Catholic NGO’s.

    So … was Jesus a polluter? Or should we follow the money?

    Draw your own conclusions.

  2. Has he chimed in on the PP shooting yet? It’s all the fundamentalist hateful speech, right? Just as Ben Carson said.

    I wonder what the pope’s end game is. The world will be a real mess if he and Obama get their druthers.

  3. Vacuity: Have we reached rock bottom?

    Posted by New Catholic on 12/01/2015 at Rorate-Caeli/blogspot.com

    Picture the dialogue.

    Roman Judea, circa A.D. 29:

    “Master, is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for any cause?”
    Our Lord Jesus Christ: “There’s hunger in Judea, so I won’t answer that.”

    Two thousand years of Church, of the highest intellectual and devotional and artistic achievements in the history of mankind, and all the Holy Roman Church can accomplish now is this utter vacuity? That moral judgments cannot be made “when there are people dying because of a lack of water and hunger”?

    Hunger somewhere has always been the predicament of mankind – this means moral judgments have always been and will always be inappropriate and that Our Lord Himself should never have delivered any.

  4. Liberals and secular progressives LOVE this idea that the Pope’s opinion on condoms (and the Catholic teaching on contraception) are the cause of AIDS epidemics in the Third World, when it is very clear that the practice of prostitution, risky sex, lack of understanding of microbiology and the transmission of STDs, and a dislike of using condoms (having NOTHING to do with Catholic teaching) have more to do with it. Did Charlie Sheen get HIV because he was waiting for Pope Francis to grant permission to use condoms while fornicating? Come on. In this case, the Pope was right to say that the question seems biased. However, he should have a clearer and more carefully prepared answer on the question that demonstrates as much time and deliberation devoted to it as the encyclical on climate change since the controversy continues to cause great confusion for non-Catholic liberals.

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