Synod, Day 15, Sunday October 18, 2015 – As Seen by the Catholic Left

Synod, Day 15, Sunday October 18, 2015 – As Seen by the Catholic Left

LaDonna Cardinal’s remarks are more important than Pope Francis: Four new saints [Fr. Vincent Grossi, Sister Mary of the Immaculate Conception, and Saint Therese of Lisieux’ parents Louis and Zelie Martin] point to humility – not worldly power

Cardinal Wuerl: Bishops and synod should meet people where they are

Joshua J. McElwee | Oct. 18, 2015 | National Catholic Reporter

ROME One of the main challenges facing Catholic bishops today is to be clear about the church’s moral teachings but then also to meet people where they are in life without just admonishing them, Washington’s Cardinal Donald Wuerl has said.

Wuerl — one of nine Americans attending the ongoing Oct. 4-25 Synod of Bishops — said one concern facing the prelates is wanting to have clarity about church teachings while knowing how to apply the teachings to where people are in their lives.

“I think that’s where the heart of the tension is, as if you can’t do both,” said the cardinal, speaking in an NCR interview Sunday.

“The church’s teaching is quite clear,” said Wuerl. “But the church’s pastoral life is the application of the teaching to where people are. And that’s always been the pastoral challenge of the church.”

“You have to speak with clarity, but then knowing what the fullness of the teaching is, you go out and meet people where they are,” he continued. “And the Holy Father keeps saying to us, ‘Accompany them.'”

“You don’t go out to meet people where they are to scold them,” he said. “You go out to bring them the truth but sometimes to be heard you have to let the person know you know their struggle if you’re going to accompany them at all.”

Giving as example his own ministry as a bishop for nearly 30 years, the cardinal said a church leader must first listen to know what people need in their lives.

“You have to listen in order to know how to say what you want to say so that you’ll be heard,” said Wuerl.

“I think that’s what the tension is between those who put the greatest emphasis on simply saying it — and saying it over and over again — and those who are saying if it’s not being heard, we have to go out and begin to listen so that we know how to say this in a way it will be heard,” he said. “That’s the difference. In neither case are we changing the teaching.”

Wuerl was speaking Sunday in a 30-minute interview that saw him touch on some of the discussions at the synod, the second of two Pope Francis has called for 2014 and 2015 to discuss issues of family life.

The 2015 event, which is discussing a wide range of topics, has attracted attention particularly for its deliberations over the church’s stance toward divorced and remarried persons and gay people.

The cardinal spoke at length Sunday about the role of discussion in the synod and in the wider church, and also about the interplay between the church’s understanding of the concepts of mercy and justice.

But Wuerl spoke most strongly against accusations that the deliberations at the synod had in some way been manipulated, or that the process of its discussions had been constructed to reach certain outcomes.

Mentioning that he has participated in seven synods spanning decades — and even held the key leadership post, known as the relator, at the 2012 synod focused on the new evangelization — the cardinal said he could not understand how someone could be unhappy with the process for this year’s event.

“It seems to me that this has been one of the most extraordinary efforts to arrive at a consensus that involves more people being engaged in the product than ever before in the life of the synod,” said Wuerl. “And I can say that because I’ve been at a lot of them.”

“Now, there are those who have been unhappy,” said the cardinal. “I don’t know how you would be unhappy with the process if you’re really looking at consensus building.”

“There seems to be an undercurrent among some saying that these are the things that we want said,” he continued. “And they are not able to guarantee at this point that they’re going to be said.”

“But that is not a sign to me of intrigue, manipulation, [or] rigging,” said Wuerl. “It’s the process of conversation, discussion, and arriving at consensus. And of course you arrive at a consensus within a frame of reference of the doctrine of the church. You can’t arrive at a consensus that denies the teaching of the church.”

“I think this is a very good process,” said the cardinal. “It’s been tainted by those — or at least the view of the process has been tainted by those who are saying it’s somehow manipulative. But they’re not giving any reasonable examples, especially when you contrast this Synod with previous ones.”

Wuerl was referring to public accusations from some cardinals and bishops that the synod has been organized to reach a certain outcome, particularly on its discussions about divorced and remarried people.

In an extraordinary public display of disagreement among the highest levels of the church, a private letter from 13 cardinals to Francis expressing sharp disagreement over the synod was made public last week.

One American, New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, has confirmed signing the letter. Another, Galveston-Houston Cardinal Daniel DiNardo — who serves as vice president of the U.S. bishops’ conference — has been alleged to have signed it, but has not commented on the matter.

Wuerl said that the change in process at this synod — focusing on allowing the some 270 prelates attending more time to discuss matters in small groups — were largely made to act upon concerns bishops had raised at previous synods.

The cardinal said that at the 2012 synod there as a cry among the bishops: “‘Why do we have to sit here so long in this hall and listen to talks one after another after another?'”

“It was Pope Benedict who allowed us the change at least in the afternoon to have one hour of free intervention,” said Wuerl. “But even with that, the voice of the bishops in the synod was: ‘Why can’t we have more time among ourselves?'”

“This synod is designed to do that,” he said.

Wuerl also said Francis’ choice to appoint ten bishops to a committee to draft the synod’s final document was meant to make sure that there was “no one person controlling” that group. The cardinal is one of the ten serving on the committee.

Asked about the interplay between the church’s understanding of mercy and justice — sometimes seen as opposite approaches to how bishops should handle difficult situations like pastoring to divorced and remarried persons — the cardinal said “the challenge … is to make sure that we don’t separate them as if they are opposed to each other.”

“Aren’t they both manifestations of the revelation of Jesus?” Wuerl asked. “Jesus is the Word made flesh, he is the truth — but he’s the mercy and love of God made flesh. The two aspects are all one in him.”

“One of the priests who’s a member of the synod said a beautiful thing in his intervention,” the cardinal recounted. “He said the love of God when it encounters the human condition becomes the mercy of God.”

“I don’t think we can separate the two as if they are opposed to each other,” said Wuerl. “Truth and love are two manifestations of the same divine reality. And if that reality is manifested in the church, they have to be found equally active in the church.”

“The difficulty, the challenge is we’re grappling — each one of us, each human being — with how to keep that relationship alive without coming down on one side and forgetting the other,” he said.

Wuerl also said the synod might be considered something of a “language event,” similar to the Second Vatican Council.

“The Council came in a moment in the life of the church when, as we believe, the Spirit was calling the church to this aggiornamento,” said the cardinal. “And so much of it unfolded in the writing of documents, which means you have to understand how the church is now speaking to the issues, to the world, in language that is different, say, than Trent.”

“This synod follows on the synod for the New Evangelization where bishop after bishop after bishop got up and said we’re living in a whole different context — the secularism, the relativism, the materialism, the consumerism, the individualism,” he continued. “These are all things that that synod spoke about, that Benedict spoke about.”

“That’s what we’re dealing with,” he said. “How do we speak to that world about Jesus, his revelation, and the Creed of the church?”

The cardinal said he was not sure if the synod would conclude by issuing a formal final document on its own authority, of if the pope might write an apostolic exhortation about its discussions.

But he did say he thought whatever final document the synod does create will be made public. “You almost have to do that … lest there be a charge that this is somehow being manipulated,” he said.

[Apparently LaDonna Cardinal is blabbering to anyone who will listen to Sua Eminenza]

Cardinal Wuerl Has Had Enough

October 18, 2015, Grant Gallicho – Commonweal

ROME—In an interview with America magazine, Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington, D.C., makes it clear that he is having none of the agitation against Pope Francis’s Synod on the Family. Nothing has been “rigged.” Nothing has been “manipulated.” Rather, the cardinal approves of this synod process, which is much more open than any other anyone can remember. “I see it as widening the participation of the bishops (compared to the past),” the cardinal said. He reiterated many of the same points in his interview with the National Catholic Reporter [emphasis added].

As for those who have been critical of this synod, he told Gerard O’Connell:

There are some bishops whose position is that we shouldn’t be discussing any of this anyway. They were the ones at the last synod that were giving interviews, and denouncing and claiming there were intrigues and manipulation. That, I think, falls on them. I don’t see it with a foundation in reality.

What about those who suggest the pope has been puppet-mastering the whole shebang?

I wonder if some of these people who are speaking, sometimes surreptitiously, sometimes half-way implying, then backing off and then twisting around, I wonder if it is really that they find they just don’t like this pope. I wonder if that isn’t part of it.

O’Connell asked what the cardinal thought would come out of the synod:

I think that right now there has been so much tainting of how the synod is being seen. I don’t think the process has been tainted, I don’t think the synod itself has been tainted, but the lens through which it is being seen by many, many people has been tainted, and so I suspect that that will have some impact. It’s not going to be a long term impact because you can only paint something in false tones and have it remain understood incorrectly for so long, after a while the church wins out. The great maxim—magna est veritas et semper prevalebit—the truth is great and it always wins out, even with all of this propaganda and all of this distortion.

Cardinal Wuerl is no radical. He is speaking for himself, of course, but he’s been around for a while. He has attended many synods—and held a primary leadership role in the 2012 synod. He knows of what he speaks. No doubt the cardinal is giving voice to the frustration of many other synod fathers. Is he hedging against a possible no-result? I don’t think so, not after Pope Francis’s remember-I’m-the-pope speech yesterday (which sounded a lot like the one he gave last year, just before he appointed a commission to study the question of the annulment process, which he eventually reformed). Cardinal Wuerl may have just reset the table for the synod’s most important work—which begins tomorrow.

[At the North American College in Rome to Michael O’Loughlin of John Allen’s Crux]

… one American cardinal … says bishops have many ways to understand the challenges facing families — and what they need from the Church to help them with those challenges.

“The idea that a bishop would never have heard any of that strikes me as not altogether fair in its assessment in how we live and move,” Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington said in an interview with Crux.

“This summer I spent some time with family, next generation family, and their friends, and we got into this, and their understanding, and their friends’ understanding, of what life is all about, of what relationships are all about,” he said.

Plus, he said, he scans four newspapers each morning, and “if I haven’t gathered from those four newspapers every morning that there’s a problem out there, it’s not going to happen.”

Wuerl, fresh off hosting Pope Francis during his visit to Washington last month and handpicked by Francis to help draft the synod’s final report, said the pastoral debate really comes down to “encounter and correcting, and encountering and accompanying.”

“How do you meet with someone whose marriage has just collapsed, how do you meet with someone whose wife just walked out on him or whose husband walked out on her leaving children, and not learn that there’s enormous pain here and that they’re looking for some connection with the Church?” he asked. “How do you deal with, how do you talk to, how do you meet with people who are living in a gay relationship and not understand what they’re talking about, if you listen to them?”

“I think that’s what the pope is saying, go out, go out and encounter them,” he continued.

“We should be the first ones to want to accompany, because wasn’t that Jesus’ style?” he said. “They complained that he ate with sinners, and that he was with the wrong crowd, and he’s saying, ‘It’s not the healthy who the need the physician.’”

Wuerl spoke to Crux at the North American College in Rome Monday, just hours after reports surfaced that a group of cardinals had signed a letter to Pope Francis expressing concern about how the synod was structured.

He rejected the notion that the synod is rigged, and that somehow certain viewpoints aren’t being heard.

“You can get up in the synod and say anything you want,” he said.

When it comes to the synod’s conclusion, Wuerl said that only those items that enjoy “considerable support” would be included in the final document, known as the relatio.

So if the so-called Kasper Proposal, which would create a mechanism to welcome divorced and remarried Catholics back to Communion, isn’t included in the relatio, does that mean most bishops rejected it?

“I think that would be a legitimate conclusion,” Wuerl said.

And what will it take to get the Kasper Proposal, or anything else, included in the relatio?

“I think if you get a read in a house as big as this, if you get a sense that there’s 80, 85 percent of the people there are saying, ‘This is what we want said,’ that is pretty good consensus,” he said.

On Oct. 25, the day the synod wraps up, the relatio will be passed on to Pope Francis. Whether the pope chooses to publish it as is, make changes, or hold it while he considers its contents, is an open question.

Despite the consternation expressed by some Catholics both inside the synod hall and out, Wuerl said he hears words of support from most of his flock about the Church’s deliberations.

“If it were all that cut-and-dried, then we wouldn’t be having a synod, or we wouldn’t sense the need of it,” he said. “The people I talk to, they say, ‘I pray for you and the synod.’ They’re not saying, ‘Bring it to an end and come out, get out of that.’”

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4 comments on “Synod, Day 15, Sunday October 18, 2015 – As Seen by the Catholic Left

  1. “Cardinal Wuerl: Bishops and synod should meet people where they are.”

    We have an idea where you are Donna.

    In the sodomite realm!

  2. Over and over it seems to me that modern Churchmen are forgetting that the Christian Faith is supposed to lift people up from “where they are”.

    Our Blessed Lord told us we need to be perfect. It seem to me He was far from “leaving us where we are.”

    Time and again in the Gospels, Our Lord would call a person to a higher place, a narrower road, a harder path, in order to point them towards Heaven, their ultimate goal.

    Our modern Churchmen, however, seem more than content with not only meeting people where they are, but with leaving them there!

    Our modern Churchmen appear to have lost the image of holiness as the Christian ideal.

  3. [His Eminence agrees that the liberal agenda at the Synod should be implemented in the Church – as long as it’s done “gently”]

    Cardinal Gracias to LGBT People: ‘Church Embraces You, Wants You, Needs You’

    October 19, 2015 – Francis DeBernardo, New Ways Ministry


    Cardinal Oswald Gracias is Archbishop of Bombay, the head of India’s National Conference of Catholic Bishops, and a member of Pope Francis’ Council of nine cardinal advisors from around the globe. In the last few years, he has emerged as one of the leading international advocates for better pastoral and civil care of LGBT people. He was the only religious leader in India who opposed an initiative to recriminalize LGBT people, has urged his priests to be more sensitive in their language about LGBT people, spoke out for better pastoral care during last year’s extraordinary synod, and met with the Chair of Quest, the United Kingdom’s Catholic LGBT group.

    He is here in Rome for the synod, and I had the pleasure of sitting down with him, one-on-one, for a brief interview on Sunday night to talk about the pastoral outreach to LGBT people, criminalization laws, church doctrine and language, and his own personal journey.

    In the last couple of years, you’ve made some very positive gestures in regard to LGBT people. In what ways has your understanding of LGBT people evolved over the years and how did that happen?

    Initially it began with involvement in civil law with banning homosexuality. I felt that was not right–indiscriminately putting everybody in same category. Therefore, I spoke, saying the Church was not in favor of this. This was a bit of a surprise to many people because of what they think the Church teaches. You must make a distinction with an individual, who is absolutely part of the Church, who we must care for, and who might have a [homosexual] orientation. You can’t put them in chains, or say we have no responsibility whatsoever. The law was struck down, but now it’s back again.

    Subsequently, I met a few people also. I realized their goodness, that many people do not realize. They are often painted one way and the images are bad. My own view is that the Church has to be all-embracing, inclusive. and take care of everybody. Our moral principles are clear. I would be too worried that we are breaking our moral code or that the Church’s principles are shattered because we say that we are pastoral. The Catechism has said also that they must be cared for. Some people say you are going too far.

    In one way, it’s very Catholic position to welcome. To not be welcoming is wrong.

    To not be welcoming would not be a Catholic attitude. It would not be Christ’s attitude, certainly. We have to be very compassionate, understanding, and open to people.

    When I read about your stand on the civil law, I read that you were the only religious leader in India to oppose re-criminalization. How did you find the courage to be the only one?

    I was convinced. I think gradually others will come to see what I am saying. It’s so clear in my mind. This is what the Church would want. I’m convince that eventually it will be de-criminalized. It’s a question of time.

    Did you receive a backlash or criticism for your stand?

    Not much. There were a few. There were some theologians who said they disagreed with me. But that was an intellectual discussion, and I was happy about that because it allowed me to sharpen my thoughts on the matter. But there was no campaign against what I said.

    In the U.S. we have many parishes who have set up ministries of welcome to LGBT people. What advice would you give to those parishes and pastors working with LGBT people?

    I honestly would think that they would know more than me. From experience, you always learn how to do things pastorally. Homosexuality is not fully out of the closet in India. The atmosphere is not so open in the civil society to be able to have people openly come and declare themselves. As a matter of fact a gay association asked me if I would say Mass for them. I said, “Absolutely. No difficulty whatsoever. I said to them they should keep in mind that they would suddenly be coming out into the open. For me, it’s not a problem.

    Do you see any gifts that lesbian and gay people bring to the Church?

    I haven’t met enough to make a generalization. But the people I have met have impressed me very much by their sincerity , wanting to help the Church, generosity, Is this specific to them or just because they happen to be who they are? So, I can’t generalize. But all I have met have been good people, wanting to dedicate themselves to work for the Church. When I say “for the Church, ” I mean “for people, through the Church’s charities.”

    Let’s talk about the synod. Do you think there is going to be any progress made on lesbian and gay issues this year?

    I can see there is a great hesitation from the synod fathers to really touch this topic. Therefore, I can see that the synod will probably say that we must receive them in pastoral care. Full stop. Something very gentle and limited. I don’t expect us to be able to say very much more specific on this.

    Do you think it would be possible for the synod to make a statement about criminalization since that is happening around the globe?

    I feel clear about it and strongly about it. One of the criticisms of the synod is that it is too Euro-centric, and we are carefully looking into that. It’s difficult at this stage to start shifting the whole focus. I’m saying this because I know that Africa is very sensitive about this topic. There’s very clearly a North American-European stance on this topic. How we as a Church, as the universal Church, can take something on board, is something that we have to consider. That is really key.

    How about language? There’s been reports that some bishops are proposing getting rid of words like “disorder” and “evil” in relation to LGBT people?

    It should be done gently. I’m glad you brought this up. I think there would be an acceptance of saying “Let’s use gentler language, not judgemental language.” The response to this view is “Are you condoning it?” I personally feel that it would help us to have a more clear, objective view of this matter.

    Would it have been helpful to the bishops for lesbian and gay people, couples, to speak to the synod the way married couples have spoken?

    Personally, I would have thought it would have been an enrichment. I would have been happy to hear them, and I think that it would help all the synod fathers to understand. I think most have never had direct contact or discussion. I have a feeling about that. For them, it’s just a theoretical opinion, but you really don’t come down to the person. When you really see a person,you speak to a person, and understand the anxiety. I often think about what Our Lord’s approach be in that circumstances: sympathetic, understanding.

    The whole thing about the origin of sexual orientation has not been studied in-depth. Some say that it’s a choice. I see that it is not a choice for many people, so it’s not fair to say it is. In that sense, we are not open enough.

    In my ministry with LGBT people, I meet a lot of LGBT people who are thinking of leaving the Church or finding it difficult to stay in the Church. What would you say to them?

    I would say the Church embraces you, wants you, and the Church needs you. You are not someone who is a burden to the Church. The Church needs you. You are part of us. We’d like to help you, we’d like to see you more clearly. We are struggling to see how to help you more with pastoral care

    I’d also say, “Don’t get discouraged.” At the last synod there was just one official intervention on this topic; in group discussions it would come out much more. This time there were a few more. So, I would say to[LGBT people], “Hold on. It is certainly not the end. We are still in the process, and we will find a way.

    What advice would you give other bishops who may be opposed to any changes on LGBT people?

    I would say to the bishops to meet with people. That’s important. Meet with people. That would help us–and me also– to see flesh and blood–that this is not an academic problem but a real problem. It’s not an academic case where you say “A equals B, and B equals C.” There are so many ramifications.

    I would say to them that the Church is an all-embracing mother. The Church is mother and teacher. The mother does not send her children away, no matter what.

    You gave me a chill when you said that last sentence. It was beautiful. In the. U.S. Church one of the biggest groups that pushes for the rights of LGBT people are the mothers and the fathers. We say they are a bridge because they are very dedicated to the Church and very dedicated to their children.

    The parents suffer a lot, but they understand their children. So we can’t be legalistic. We cannot change church teaching or doctrine. I’m not sure we have the final word. We have to continuously study ourselves: Scripture, morality, canon law to see what we could do.

    Thank you for your time. I’m sure you are very busy.

    When we first started, I said “Why are we having a synod for three weeks?” Now, I’m saying, “Three weeks is not enough!”

  4. “The Council came in a moment in the life of the church when, as we believe, the Spirit was calling the church to this aggiornamento,” said the cardinal.
    Sigh. One day they’ll have to answer for this invoking of the Holy Spirit in justifying the horror that came of VII. That he goes on to mention the so-called New Evangelization in the same context, a nightmare counterfeit evangelism that means anything but winning converts for Christ, can surely only compound their culpability before God. Never once do these men judge it by its fruits, never once dare they even consider the possibility that they might be wrong. Such presumptuous arrogance and weasel words to boot. Lord preserve us from these false shepherds, for the salvation of souls and the exaltation of Your Holy Church.

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