Just the Facts, Ma’am.

Lots of evidence that Bergoglio suppressed the TLM. One claim to the contrary. Seems that the weight of the evidence indicates he’s an anti, but it’s anecdotal. Hard evidence? O.K., lets see if the major TLM organizations have a presence in “Humble Jorge’s” old stompin’ grounds.

Nothing for years on Una Voce Argentina.



Reference to Wikkimissa does list a Tridentine Mass venue in Buenos Aires:


Of course, it’s SSPX.

Anyone have any other documented evidence one way or the other? Let’s see it.

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9 comments on “Just the Facts, Ma’am.

  1. Again I stress I feel very sorry for those poor Catholics who think that being in “full communion” or “obedient” means not using ones reason. I will stay with the SSPX.

  2. It seems as though Humble Jorge has been a positive boon to the SSPX, albeit unintentionally so. At least there’s that.

  3. Again all anecdotal. I’m not a Spanish speaker, but I can’t find any current Masses on the Una Voce Argentina site. Plus, experience has shown me to assume that anything on the a the-hermeneutic-of-continuity site to be a lie until proven otherwise. Now, again, any actual facts out there?

  4. Just checked the one location touted by “the-hermeneutic-of-continuity”. Turns out that was the site mentioned by Rorate as offering an ugly TLM hybrid once a month, since discontinued. Congratulations, hermeneutic-of-continuity! You’re batting 1000!

  5. ECS, on other sites, including RC, I’ve seen largely negative “personal take” posts from ostensible Argentinians re. TLM. Again, anecdotal. The jury will disregard.

  6. GP, I’ve seen those all over as well. It’s hard to prove a negative, but the negatives are certainly numerous. The other side, however, should be easier to establish. All I’m looking for is some verifiable evidence of a liturgically correct and doicesan approved TLM in the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires. So far, no one has been able to provide evidence of even one such place. We can certainly argue about how many TLM sites would be adequate for the 2.5 million Catholics under the care of Bishop Jorge, but I have no doubt that the number should be more than zero.

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