With friends like this who needs enemies?

The following is a response to an email I sent to mr Voris expressing my support of his web cast entitled “What Do We Do Now?”

With friends like this who needs enemies?

Dear Bill,

Thank you for your strong support. I’m happy you didn’t let the Church’s “unfavorable view of the Society” obstruct your ability to understand what we do and why.

I hope you understand that “our” judgment of the Society is that of the Holy Father. When we published our links last Friday to lists of good parishes, we received several inquiries about why we had declined to include SSPX chapels. This was our response:

The two links that we provided are maintained by others, not ChurchMilitant.TV. If there are inaccuracies, write them directly.

With regard to leaving out SSPX chapels, that, too, is the decision of those who maintain the respective web sites. But we, ourselves, would not have published these links to sites if they gave the impression that participation in SSPX chapels is a matter of indifference or equality with faith communities that are in full communion with the Church. The Holy Father himself has stated that the SSPX have neither canonical status nor legitimate ministry within the Church and are invited to return to full communion with the Church. It is not true that the SSPX have an “irregular canonical status:” they have “no” canonical status.

Just so you know, this is our standard response to those who ask the “official position” of ChurchMilitant.TV on the SSPX:

The position of ChurchMilitant.TV concerning the SSPX is that of the Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, as expressed in his motu proprio Ecclesiae Unitatem, issued July 2, 2009:

In the same spirit and with the same commitment to encouraging the resolution of all fractures and divisions in the Church and to healing a wound in the ecclesial fabric that was more and more painfully felt, I wished to remit the excommunication of the four Bishops illicitly ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre. With this decision I intended to remove an impediment that might have jeopardized the opening of a door to dialogue and thereby to invite the Bishops and the “Society of St Pius X” to rediscover the path to full communion with the Church. As I explained in my Letter to the Catholic Bishops of last 10 March, the remission of the excommunication was a measure taken in the context of ecclesiastical discipline to free the individuals from the burden of conscience constituted by the most serious of ecclesiastical penalties. However, the doctrinal questions obviously remain and until they are clarified the Society has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry.

There are two important points here:

1) The SSPX are not in full communion with the Church and are invited by the Church to rediscover this path.
2) The SSPX has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry.

We are well aware of ongoing dialog between the SSPX and Rome. It is to be fervently hoped that these dialogs result in a return of the SSPX to full communion with the Church, granting their bishops and clergy canonical status and the authority to exercise ministry. Until such time as this occurs, our judgment must remain that of the Holy Father.

The SSPX appears to reserve to itself a right to judge the orthodoxy and fidelity of the Holy Father and the Church. They claim to be submissive to the Holy Father except, of course, when they disagree with him. Whether it is their intention or not, decades of separation from full communion with the Church has led to a situation of “SSPX Catholics” and “Roman Catholics,” with the SSPX wrapping itself in claims of loyalty to “Old Rome” and a rejection of “Modernist Rome.”

We at ChurchMilitant.TV could not be more sympathetic to the SSPX and pray, sincerely, for their return to full communion with the Church. Their return would bring great graces and blessing to the Church through their faithful priests and followers. I, myself, am a member of a parish served by the FSSP who, from my experience, show that it IS possible to work for the reform and renewal of authentic Catholicism from WITHIN the Church. The principled stance of the SSPX seems tainted by pride and lack of faith in God Himself to protect His Church. The Church Herself has sent mixed signals about the SSPX, but they have yet to make any kind of statement that contradicts the above statement of the Holy Father regarding canonical status and legitimate ministry. Every liturgical action of the SSPX is, therefore, an act of disobedience, a particularly troubling reality when one considers that priests act in persona Christi, Who was in all things obedient.

We cannot encourage participation in SSPX chapels. When the Church announces reconciliation of the SSPX with Herself, we will be among the most enthusiastic proponents of the SSPX (as we are now with the FSSP, the ICK and other traditional orders).

Again, “your unfavorable view of the Society” is an unfair accusation. To be consistent, if you canceled your free subscription to our site in response to “our” unfavorable view of the Society, you should also cancel your free membership in the Catholic Church, because you are not in communion with Her.

The Church has consistently described the actions of the SSPX as “schismatic,” at this point merely an adjective rather than a definitive judgment, the sound of “quacks” before concluding to the judgment that there are “ducks.” There is no denying that there is a serious crisis in the Church but separating oneself from the Body can never be the proper response. It’s time for the SSPX to bend the knee to the Vicar of Christ and trust in the Providence of God. The FSSP does it — they don’t even have their own bishop, submit to the authority of local bishops and, overall, have to trust God completely to work through His Church — and their apostolate continues to thrive and grow. The current status of the SSPX as “not in communion with the Church” is no longer either admirable or defensible and hurts both themselves and the Church.

God bless you.

Terry Carroll
Executive Producer

—–Original Message—– From: maurin.wd@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:31 PM
To: contact@churchmilitant.tv
Subject: Deo Gratias!

Dear Mr Voris,

About a year and a half or so ago I cancelled my (free) subscription to your programming in response to your public statement about the Society of Saint Pius X. I do not know if you persist in your unfavorable view of the Society or not, and this certainly is not the point of this email.

I was sent a link to your episode of Church Militant TV entitled “What Do We Do Now?”

I cheered you from the sofa in my small apartment, and would like to tell you how much I admire not only your courage and perseverance, but also for the fact that you are so dead-on point.

Deo Gratias, and may God bless you and yours. Your perseverance is rewarded by the lives you bring to or back to the Faith of our Fathers.

In Mary’s Immaculate Heart and with admiration,

Bill Delligatti

Sent from my iPhone=

Terry Carroll
Executive Producer

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8 comments on “With friends like this who needs enemies?

  1. It’s really sad to see this “Terry” person speaking definitively about the Status of the SSPX. What is going on here?

  2. What is going on here? I think it’s pretty simple: Voris will be stuck in an un-ending loop of defending the very same people who are responsible for the very same mess that he makes his livelihood criticizing. The blind leading the blind right into the pit.

  3. Words mean things.

    Quite a number of them were written down definitively, since the Age of the Apostles, in fact.

    The official interpretation of which was always, in the end, magnificently maintained according to Sacred Magisterium ( “what was meant always and everywhere and by everyone, in the same meaning and in the same interpretation” ) – until……. 1962 and the beginning of Vatican Twice.

    Since, and now for 50 years, we have lived in the Age of the Neologists, promoters of progress, liberal inventors of novel concepts, word twisters and, in certain cases, the purveyors of outright heresy. Though the original hijackers of the Council are at last dying off, their apostles and heirs are very, very busy up to the present moment.
    Kung is off to Peking to duck up matters there. And, Papa Ratzinger is still working feverishly to convince ( himself? ) that what was specifically, clearly and dogmatically PROHIBITED by sainted popes and holy councils of yore is – mirabile dictu! – somehow in “continuity” with the really bad ideas, grave errors and outright stupidities promulgated since his Woodstock experience in sunny, Nova Roma a half century ago.

    So, Terry, it looks like it comes down to “who ya’ gonna believe?”

    The guys from 33 – 1962 AD, or their preposterously progressivist successors?

    Oh, and Terry, you can’t have it both ways.

    • The following points are “important” only insofar as they appraoch the principle point whihc is entirely overlooked. “Terry” points out that

      “There are two important points here:

      1) The SSPX are not in full communion with the Church and are invited by the Church to rediscover this path.
      2) The SSPX has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry.”

      But in fact these are important as subordintate to the point made in the Vatican document that:

      “However, the doctrinal questions obviously remain….”

      To exclude that most important point is to make the “important points” that Terry cites reflective of purely pharisaic and hypocritical catholicism. Our Lord has so defined it as “whited sepulchres…… full of dead men’s bones and all corruption” (Matt 23:27)

  4. Good intelligence analysts look for slipups. And EVERYBODY makes them, eventually.

    Exhaustion, continuous tension and frustration, simple distraction, vanity, etc. will provide at least SOME clue to what is really going on in the opponent’s mind.

    Admitting that “….the doctrinal questions obviously remain….” is HUGE! I

    Whoever wrote the document meant that, from sunny Nova Roma’s perspective, the questions are resolved under the liberal interpretation in force the past 50 years. But the slipup comes with admitting that there is anything doctrinal to discuss it at all.

    I can hear a little clink! – as a tiny chip off an obscure statue hits the hallway floor somewhere in the Vatican – all the way out here in sunny SoCal!

    Dawn IS breaking on marble modernist skulls… somewhere…. somehow….


    ( Yeah, over the top pollyannaesque bravado, to be sure. But after the past year, even a dinky sign of hope is worth at least a mention. )

  5. Terry said, “They (SSPX) claim to be submissive to the Holy Father except, of course, when they disagree with him.

    Yet Terry also said, “Their (SSPX) return would bring great graces and blessing to the Church through their faithful priests and followers.”

    Terry seems to be confused on what “faithful” means.

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