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Tuesday, October 16, 2012
The latest from London

It was very early this morning that I was able to speak with the Bishop. We don’t always have intersecting schedules to chat so I decided to stay up very late on this side of the pond to make the call.

It is confirmed that Bishop Fellay has ordered Bishop Williamson to shut down dinoscopus.org, end Eleison Comments, make “public apology” for the harm he has caused to the SSPX and the Church by publishing Eleison Comments, and commit to making “reparation” for the remainder of his days. Failure to comply with these conditions (interestingly, there is no parsing of “required” and “desirable”) in toto would result in his expulsion on or around one week from today’s date: the 23rd of October, 2012.

I’ve said in a previous update about this issue that I’ve heard the wolf cry on this issue so many times that I have become numb. Many people don’t know that there has been, for years, a battle over Eleison Comments. Various sacrifices have been made over the years in order to comply with whatever various wish was laid out at the time from Menzingen. In the very beginning, when I was in charge of publishing and editing it in blog form, Bishop Fellay objected to it being public on the Internet. He really meant that he didn’t want it done at all, but when we complied with his wishes and made it into a private newsletter, he couldn’t really object. He then had to come up with more objections. As I took up issue with Maximilian Krah (here and here) my personal views became a liability to the project and I stepped down as editor to have Nicholas Wansbutter, a trusted friend and colleague, take over. Nicholas guided the project until last year, when we set up an infrastructure to allow the Bishop to essentially self-publish, and thereby remove any lay element. It also freed up both Nicholas and I to speak more freely in support of the Bishop which we could not do when we were so visibly tied to his work.

Why make such a big deal about the blog/newsletter/bulletin? Because it deviates from Bishop Fellay’s personal need for absolute uniformity about who says what in the Society of St. Pius X. Nothing in the statutes of the Society (which Bishop Fellay changes whenever it interferes with his will) prohibits a priest – much less a bishop – from communicating with his flock. Indeed, given that Bishop Williamson has been prohibited from public ministry (for no good reason, I might add), other than the sermons he gives in London at the Masses he still celebrates, these weekly columns provide encouragement and nourishment for many.

I don’t agree with everything the Bishop writes in Eleison Comments, but I do find it laughable that Bishop Fellay is so threatened by it that he has resorted, at long last, to expulsion over this singular matter. It is a failure of leadership to ignore reasonable objections from senior advisors (I here am of course referring to the famous intervention from the 3 bishops over the summer) and Eleison Comments is simply an ongoing form of dissent against a “sellout” which has additionally manifested itself in expulsions and vocal disagreement from clergy other than Bishop Williamson. Bishop Fellay touted “profound unity” at the Chapter, but speaking to SSPX priests and faithful who attend their chapels reveals anything but such unity.

If Bishop Fellay et al are so convinced they are right, why expel over such a matter? Perhaps this will blow warmth into the cooling ashes of a deal with Rome. A sign of good faith. The traditional Jewish tradition of the scapegoat…I speculate but I neither wish (nor care) to divine.

Ultimately, the battle is not just over Eleison Comments – that’s the visible exterior. But it is really a battle of the liberal/anti-liberal factions within the SSPX. And while this split has been present in the SSPX since Day 1, we knew that it would be exacerbated as time passed since the Archbishop died. Bishop Fellay was not always a liberal. But leadership roles reveal true character, and the chair of the Superior General has revealed Bishop Fellay for the accommodating liberal that he really is. This is perhaps best seen when he refers to “a limited religious liberty” within Dignitatis Humanae. For anyone who has read that document, such a phrasing is at best absurd, and reveals that Bishop Fellay is not now, and never has been, a serious theological voice in the SSPX (as an aside, for those interested in delving deeper into these heretical documents of a robber council, tune into Restoration Radio this weekend).

So, yes, I am confirming officially that as of right now, Bishop Williamson is set to be expelled. It has not “officially” happened yet, but it will. As His Excellency would quote from Hamlet, “If it be now, tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come” (V,ii: 222-224).

I welcome this news. It will free up Bishop Williamson to continue to do what he does so well – preach the Gospel and wake Catholics out of complacency. He will now do so outside of an organization deep in the depths of an identity crisis rooted in their double-minded ecclesiology. You will be hearing and seeing a lot more of Bishop Williamson in the months and years ahead. Stay tuned.

That’s all for now. I will have more in a few weeks when I am with the Bishop in London to do his first public interview since 2010.

Many have asked about donations to the Bishop. We will keep you posted on sending checks. If you prefer to donate by credit card, you may do so on the Bishop’s home page.

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26 comments on “the latest from London

  1. I believe that it is important to note a few items about Steven Heiner’s posting:

    The overall warning to those not familiar with him is that Steven Heiner is a sedevacantist, consequently it is necessary to beware of the issues that his perspective presents on doctrine, dogma, infallibility and the current occupier of the See of Peter.

    “… Why make such a big deal about the blog/newsletter/bulletin?. …”
    Tradical: This in not ‘just’ about the newsletter. It would be simpler to say that it is about a newletter being used to work against, mock etc one’s superior. Further, the unauthorized trip to South America was, imo, the final straw.

    “…deep in the depths of an identity crisis rooted in their double-minded ecclesiology…”
    Tradical: This double-minded ecclesiology, it a shot at the conviction of the SSPX that Pope Benedict XVI is the Pope.

    “… as an aside, for those interested in delving deeper into these heretical documents of a robber council, tune into Restoration Radio this weekend …”
    At least two of the persons involved (Steven Heiner and Bishop Sanborn) are sedevacantists. Further, the representation of Bishop Sanborn on blogtalk radio site is silent on the fact of their sede vacantism, that Sanborn is a Thuc line Bishop, and that his relationship with the SSPX was severed due to his refusal of the 1962 liturgy – based on his sedevacantist orientation.

    • I can see no other way to view Bishop Williamson’s views other than sedevacantist. In any event, I found his comments disloyal, uncharitable, and unreasonable. The difference between the larger Church and SSPX is that SSPX seems to take action when needed at lightening speed…when compared to the Vatican which seldom takes any action at all.

      • SH has made plain that +W disagrees, albeit as a gentleman and an authentic scholar, with the bogus claims of the BLEEPS. This is a matter of record.

        So much for the BLEEP thing.

        As to “lightening” ( sic!) speed, I remember a colleague and I discussing the massive surplus inventory of one of my clients, rapidly acquired just before the massive Carter recession and predicated on bulk discounts suppliers were offering. As he mentioned, the great danger of computerizing inventory purchasing was that a single, innocently made error could – at lightning speed – bankrupt a manufacturer much faster than back in the day when people used adding machines and actually had to PRODUCE expense and cost forecasts, by hand.

        Speed kills. And the Magic Mountain thrill-a-minute ride we’ve been observing in Der Vaterland of late is proof positive that it’s time for new management.

        Alienating a huge chunk of your market is a sure path to bankruptcy.

  2. Oh, Ned, right on time and just as expected. : – )

    Yep, Steve-orino is a BLEEP!. Dang it! But, then, some other nice folks are, too. Don’t make it right but they’re not total cuckoos, either. Just perhaps a bit over-rigorous.

    Anyway, the shells are flying from behind BOTH lines. +F has had any number of highly inflammatory things to say about +W, too. The “grenade” one was my favorite.

    • Hi gpmtrad,

      Thanks, I’ve often suspected the sede’s were referred to as “Bleep”. Why the ‘Bleep’?

      The post was a warning for those readers not familiar with the issues noted.

      I do not include you or LOTI in that category.

      Re: Grenade, I preferred the ‘plutonium’ comment myself. It glows prettily in the dark, all the time it is eating at your DNA.

  3. SH has made plain that +W disagrees, albeit as a gentleman and an authentic scholar, with the bogus claims of the BLEEPS. This is a matter of record.

    Very true but when one takes Bp. Williamson’s statements to their logical conclusion, that conclusion is sedevacantism (or, at least, sedeprivationism). Perhaps His Excellency hasn’t thought his statements through.

    • I shan’t argue that since I am not an expert on sededeprivationism’s claims. I was going by what SH himself wrote about the specific question as it pertained to his rather involved working relationship with +W.

  4. While Bp. Williamson appears to inflexible, it seems like a somewhat of a double standard on his part. When he was seminary rector he always demanded obedience and would not stand for anyone, priest or otherwise openly contradicting him. Why does he find it hard to do the same for the sake of unity and the greater good of the SSPX?

  5. Frankly,

    Having just read EC 275, I have concluded that Bishop Williamson has truly ‘lost it’, with regards his ability to execute good judgement.

    He is recommending that people ready Maria Voltorta’s book to children.

    Here is the link to IA: z10.invisionfree.com/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11169

    Note: IA is going to shutdown within the next couple of weeks.

    • Charlotte NC Bill on said:

      You’re probably one of these people who’ve always hated Bp williamson…Bp Fellay has had a problem with the truth-telling Williamson for a long time and the Holohoax interview w/the Swede gave him the opportunity to please modernist Rome and world Jewry ( in the immediate person of his investment partner Max Krah )…What’s wrong with Maria Voltorta’s book? You say that as though we’ve all read it…The fact that the Americanists and american Exceptionalists always hated williamson told me he was a good guy right away…When the “no salvation outside the republican Party” and the ” I only believe it if I hear it fm the media Trinity of O’Reilly, Beck and Rush ” type people hated him I knew he must be wonderful…Sure enough he is..You can judge a man by his enemies and friends….If all our Bishops, Cardinals and Popes had been speaking like this for the past generation instead of protecting child molesters and authorizing clown masses…the enemy would be on his heels…A religion that isn’t militant-isn’t manly…which explains the boy-chasing infiltrators and some of the priests I’ve been meeting in the SSPX recently…tradical you’re just some anonymous pipsqueak on the internet who won’t even use his real name..

      • NC Bill,

        This not about hating Bishop Williamson. This is warning, simple and clear.

        For your benefit I will transcribe what I wrote on IA:

        …start quote
        At this point I am hoping that either +W did not read the entire ‘book’ or the translators conveniently left out some of poisonous passages.

        When my brother-in-law picked up a French translation (title:THE GOSPEL AS REVEALED TO ME ) of this book he was surprised to find that the author had reduced the miraculous multiplication of loaves to the efforts of a fervent baker. He read some other passages that were either heretical or vulgar, after which he flung the book across the room in Catholic disgust.

        There is only one spot suitable for this ‘book’ in a Catholic home — the fireplace.

        Now I see where +W fascination with conspiracy theories has brought him: significant, if not complete,contempt for authority, the index is now added to his list. Why, I ask, would he trust the ‘theologian’ who explains away the theological issues instead of the ‘authorities’ in the office of the index.

        To paraphrase +W:

        I do believe the Poem could greatly poison a home.

        Note to Tradfly[someone who regularly dislikes my posts]: I would recommend against disliking this comment based on you love for +W and hatred for me. It is one thing to hold one’s superior in contempt, it is another to poison the minds of children.

        … end quote
        Regarding your last comment, “tradical you’re just some anonymous pipsqueak on the internet who won’t even use his real name”

        My reasons for my anonymity are my own.

        However, if you ever cross my path I will reveal who I am and if you were to corrupt my children with the heretical faith destroying teachings of Maria Valtorta, I would personally tie the biggest mill-stone I could find around your neck and throw it into the nearest, deepest coldest body of water.

        That is what awaits Bishop Williamson now if he does not retract these statements.

        • “… if you ever cross my path I will reveal who I am and if you were to corrupt my children with the heretical faith destroying teachings of Maria Valtorta, I would personally tie the biggest mill-stone I could find around your neck and throw it into the nearest, deepest coldest body of water.

          That is what awaits Bishop Williamson now if he does not retract these statements…”

          My wife indicated that this sounds like I’ve lost it.

          I was thinking of the biblical quote: Mark 9:42

          “… And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me: it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck and he were cast into the sea…”

          I was making a word play on the saying of Our Lord taking it as a favour to the person who corrupts little ones to fulfill Our Lord’s command to do the millstone thing.

          Regarding Bishop Williamson, I pray that no child’s faith is harmed by having the book “THE GOSPEL AS REVEALED TO ME” read to them, or I fear it shall not go well with him in his personal judgement.

          Sorry for any offense caused. I’ve calmed down a little now. (very little)

      • Good post Hark ! Can you give me a reference to Cardinal Ottaviani and Archbishop Lefebrve giving Poem of the Man God a ‘thumbs down’ so I can share with some fellow SSPX church goers ?

        Thanks !

      • Charlotte NC Bill on said:

        Bp Fellay has a problem with all three of the other bishops not just Bp williamson..tradical, some monicer, has no business saying that a 72 yr old senior bishop has “totally lost it” based on…based on what? A book that may/may not be inspired..He could’ve sd, “well, I wouldn’t recommend it…”…No, for him it was yet another opportunity to pile on bp Williamson…and show his devotion to the Superior Dictator…”Harold the ?Hark” huh? Well i’m the only “BIll” at St. Anthony of Padua in Mt holly….drop by and get in this old Marines’s face-and you’ll no longer have one…Pax Christi…Bill

        • Smart move Willy!!!
          Threatening physical violence on the net and telling THE WORLD where to find you!!! Smooth move soldier!!!
          Glad I’m not in a foxhole with ya, you’d get everybody wacked with that temper!
          And “based on what?” You’d know what if you stopped long enough to read the whole post!!!
          And as I said before…
          “Contrary to recent popular belief, the SSPX is neither a democracy nor a constitutional republic. Even if it was, would you expect a general to put up with repeated public insubordination and the inciting of rebellion from within his ranks without reprisal???!!”
          The fact that you’re a military man and don’t get this is really unbelievable!!!

          • Charlotte NC Bill on said:

            In the USMC we were trained to ambush, camouflage, lay mines, call in naval gunfire, kill people silently in faroff lands that had multi-national corporations and/or that criminal hide-out masquerading as a country ( talmudia aka Israel ) upset for whatever contrived reason…the SSPX has a mission of being a priestly brotherhood, saving the Mass and saving souls….so it’s really apples and oranges..but I’ll tell you this: if a platoon commander was as unjust as Bp Fellay he would’ve run the risk of getting fragged..

            • Interesting Bill,

              If you were engaged with a determined enemy in an urban warfare scenario where you had difficulty telling red apart from blue and you suddenly started to question and undermine your commanding officers decisions / authority, instigated a small desertion, what would happen to you?

      • Charlotte NC Bill on said:

        Blind loyalty? Kind of like the loyalty some are showing towards the Sup Dictator Fellay? So Bp williamson should stay under house arrest forever? For what offense? The lack of courage shown by the lack of support for a fellow bishop alone..I’m glad you mentioned the ArchBp…he was the founder, not Fellay…and I’m betting that he wishes he hadn’t made him a bishop…And yes, Bp Williamson has Parkinsons which makes this horrible treatment all the more uncharitable, disrespectful and disgusting…

    • @tradical, I agree completely. Here is something that you might want to read from the Angelus Press regarding this Poem of the Man God:

      www.angelusonline.org/index.php?section=articles&subsection=show_article&article_id=1847

      How His Excellency can conclude they are good is beyond comprehension and definitely shows that something is desperately wrong with his mind or judgement. Could he be sick and that is what is leading to this behavior ?

      • Here is the Q&A from the Angelus issue of January 1991 on Poem of the Man God as given in the link above:

        Q. What do you think of The Poem of the Man God by Maria Valtorta? (B.K., Buddina, Australia)

        A. These books have never received an imprimatur. I have in my possession a statement of Archbishop Lefebvre advising against their reading (it is still in my packed trunks!). These books appeal too much to the sensitivity. But worse, they contain several passages impossible to be from God, passages which are tantamount to blasphemy. For instance, Maria Valtorta presents Mary as asking her mother Anne: “Tell me, mummy, can one be a sinner out of love of God? …I mean to commit a sin in order to be loved by God, Who becomes Savior.” How could the Immaculate Virgin even think such a thing, since she was full of that Charity which “dealeth not perversely, …thinketh no evil” (I Cor. 13:4-5). She knew too well that “the damnation of those who say, ‘let us do evil, that there may come good is just!” (Rom. 3:8)

        In another place, Valtorta presents Mary as ignoring the gifts she had received from God: “I did not know I was without stain!” How could this be in she who had received to the fullness the Spirit of God, “that we may know the things that are given us from God” (I Cor. 2:12). In her Magnificat, Our Lady manifests that she knew “the great things” which the Lord had done in her.

        Other statements are even worse, which reverence for God and even mere decency prevents us printing here. If you need more information, you may contact Father Cooper, at The Angelus Press.

        Conclusion: these books must not be read! The Angelus Press here apologizes to its readers for having carried these titles in its catalogue, upon the misguided recommendation of good men.

  6. Charlotte NC Bill on said:

    Yeah, if you “get in my face” Harold you’re gonna get your ass kicked…that’s not a threat..that’s a promise…And I’ll enjoy it…because I don’t like you…You people are incredible..You’re turning the SSPX into the cult of Bishop Fellay…you really are…I mean Fellay has a Mossad-connected lawyer who arranges his interviews and handles SSPX investments and you guys sound like some old Irish cops on the beat back in the old neighborhood; ” nothing to see here people…move along..move along..” I can just imagine if Bp williamson were sipping tea in Beirut with Nasrallah….You people would be apoplectic…and you know you would..

    • Actually, Bill, from where I sit a number of people have turned it into the cult of Bishop Williamson.

      I’m personally hoping that he is not responsible for this thoughts. I understand he has parkinson’s disease and it can affect the mind in a number of ways.

      While you are obviously enraged, be careful who you attack, it might be blue on blue.

    • Wow Bill!!!
      If I get in your face I”m gonna get my ass kicked???!!…and you’ll enjoy it because you don’t like me???!!
      Hey!!! you forgot to sign it “Pax Christi…Bill” like you did the last time you attempted to read me the riot act!!! What Charity!!!
      So far….on a Catholic forum…..you’ve threatened to leave me not having a face and to kick my ass…..and the ass kicking biz……ON SUNDAY???!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!
      If you’re not a troll, trying to give folks the impression that people who support what Williamson’s done lack self control and react violently when their views are confronted……..you sure fill the ticket nonetheless!!!
      So….let me make sure I’ve got this right……you call a guy out as a pipsqueak for not planting his personal info on the net……..I feed you some crap about it and ask for you to post your address(still waiting, but if you do, hows about your social security and bank account numbers as well!)………and you go off the deep end and start threatening missing faces and ass kickings like you’re on WorldWrestlingFederation.com!!!
      WAKE UP!!!
      THIS IS A CATHOLIC FORUM!!!
      And though this may be the wild west of Catholic forums and we’re notorious for giving each other the business, hate of the level you spew is not the norm!!!
      For all your talk of Williamson haters, NOTHING has come close to the excrement you’ve visited upon us!!!
      ” if a platoon commander was as unjust as Bp Fellay he would’ve run the risk of getting fragged..”
      ON SUNDAY???!! ABOUT A BISHOP???!! AND YOU CALL YOURSELF CATHOLIC???!!
      No, I don’t think I like you either, but as a Catholic, I am required to do violence against my nature and choose to love you anyway!!!
      No one’s going to be traveling anytime soon to “get in your face,” so try to calm yourself down & see if you can find a little peace on what’s left of the day of rest……………

  7. Again interesting Bill,

    What makes you so certain that Bishop Williamson isn’t an infiltrator?

    Also, given that Bishop Williamson wrote:

    “… Archbishop Lefebvre objected to the Poem … with all due respect to Archbishop Lefebvre…”

    So who is departing from the line of Archbishop Lefebvre?

    Keeping in mind that this little bit of fiction was on the index until it was shut down and not ‘rehabilitated’. In case you don’t know: If a Catholic read something on the index is was a mortal sin. While that is no longer the case in canon law, if a book was on the index it was because it contained error and was a danger to the faith.

  8. Calling a time out on this. Will let people post again in a few days.

  9. I think we can post charitably here. Not sure how much interest there still is, but the thread is now reopen for comments.

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