Obama (or rather, the Catholic Elites or Establishment) & Peasant Catholics

Obama [or rather, the Catholic Elites or Establishment] & Peasant Catholics

Michael Voris
The Vortex
08-13-2013

There is a war going on in the Church and the Al Smith Obama dinner is NOT the issue.

Transcript www.churchmilitant.tv/scripts/vort-2012-08-13.pdf

Hello everyone and welcome to The Vortex where lies and falsehoods are trapped and
exposed. I’m Michael Voris.
If nothing else, the controversy over the Obama dinner scandal is certainly very
revealing.
It’s revealing the division that has existed in the Church in America for years now. And
we say, good – bring it on.
We aren’t fans of division. But we ARE fans of calling out the already existing division
so it can be brought to an end. We want unity. But that unity must be a legitimate unity,
not just a façade. And that’s been the case in the Church in America for decades now –
the façade of unity promoted by the establishment elites in the Church.
Those elites include not only some members of the hierarchy and clergy, but largely
various lay people whose careers and reputations and prestige are totally dependent on
the establishment and therefore they come out swinging whenever OTHER Catholics
start rocking the boat.
Call them the Catholic-elites. And you see and hear them everywhere. They appear on
and run TV, radio, newspapers and many magazines. They write books, articles, and
issue papers. They cash in on the officially approved Catholic speaking circuit.
And much of what they say about attacks against the faith from OUTSIDE the Church is
spot on and to be applauded and supported.
But it’s this default reaction of attacking any Catholic who points out that the emperor
has no clothes .. it’s here where another side to their personalities is revealed.
Case in point .. Bill Donohue of the Catholic League. A worthy spokesman for defending
the faith in the trenches of the Culture War .. he seems totally unaware of the Culture War
within the Church between the establishment camp and Catholics who are disturbed
deeply about the actions and choices of SOME leaders with regard to giving scandal.
Last week Mr. Donohue appeared on the Lou Dobbs show on Fox News and absolutely
ripped honest Catholics who are concerned over the scandal of Obama having been
invited by Cardinal Dolan to the Al Smith dinner in New York.
At the beginning of the interview after Dobbs has asked him about these concerned
Catholics .. Donohue goes off on a tirade .. take a listen.
What does ANY of that have to do with the central issue? To our knowledge, no one has
implied, suggested or even thought that Cardinal Dolan has been bought off. So, we’re
not even sure what Donohue is ranting on about there. It’s worth wondering just exactly
what notes and talking points he and Cardinal Dolan went over on their pre-interview
phone call.
Sadly, as you can hear for yourself, Donohue’s lame defense now takes on the air of
being nasty. To affix a disparaging label to thousands of his fellow Catholics across the
country who are deeply wounded and hurt by the Cardinal’s decision, not to mention
confused, is to stoop to a level of liberal name calling.
Mr. Donohue should apologize for that.
He seems to be wanting to paint this picture that because Cardinal Dolan is a principled
man .. that to even question and voice concerns of one his prudential decisions is worthy
of being smeared by the establishment as members of the “piety police”. Frankly, a
higher level of discourse is needed here – not kitschy little phrases you are accustomed to
hearing fall from the lips of Hilary Clinton and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
What a patently absurd comment, seriously. And notice, Mr. Donohue, we are not saying
YOU are patently absurd, but your POSITION, your comment.
What do you mean, “give the man a chance, he hasn’t even had the chance to put out his
own statement yet.” First of all, yes he has. He has a facebook page he writes on almost
daily.
But more importantly, you have missed the point entirely. The Cardinal inviting Obama
IS THE STATEMENT. What else does he need to say? It is the FACT of the invitation,
that IS a statement that people are appalled about and reacting to.
Are we supposed to be sitting around and waiting for some kind of official explanation
through twitter for why this really ISN’T SCANDOLOUS! And just when will that be
coming? And what exactly would it say?
The archdiocesan communications director Joe Zwilling already gave an official
comment in the name of the Cardinal when he got grilled by the New York media and
said, its just a night off for some jokes and good times.
Sorry, Mr. Donohue – considering the glaring fact of the INVITATION ITSELF, then
Zwilling’s rather limp defense of it as well as the long opinion piece on the Archdiocese
website by a high-ranking diocesan official .. taking all these together .. a statement HAS
BEEN made .. and its quite clear .. thank you very much.
And as for the comment about faithful Catholics who oppose this scandal being quote –
“holier than the pope” .. you can cut the condescension. It has no place among faithful
Catholics talking openly about a very sad situation.
Frankly, who are you to establish in the realm of Catholicism – what qualifies as more
holy than the pope.
By hurling that stupid statement around .. ANOTHER little demeaning comment .. you
imply that the correct level of response should be to simply sit down and shut up and
keep our opinions to ourselves and any other response is somehow beneath dignity. Our
Blessed Lord didn’t sit down and shut up when he saw scandal – he confronted it,
especially scandal within the religious establishment – ESPECIALLY then.
Those two examples are patently dumb. If you recall, when the Holy Father met with
Nancy Pelosi, he would NOT ALLOW a photo op with her. Remember that? There was
a great controversy surrounding that. We’ve even attached a link to the news story from
back then. NO PHOTO OP of the Holy Father meeting with a great enemy of the faith,
Mr. Donohue. NO PHOTO OP! Dumb example.
And what’s more .. the Pope used the opportunity to chide Pelosi for her positions .. he
gave her a Papal smackdown .. he didn’t break bread, pour her a scotch, fire up a stogie
and babble on about joy. And he did not give her her much coveted PHOTO OP!
As for the Pope meeting Obama .. the Pope is the political head of the Vatican City-State
and meets political leaders as part of his duties. That’s a ridiculous example to throw out
there.
At this point .. Donohue’s up-volume blustering has gone from poorly reasoned to
insulting.
To speak about the church not wanting to be in a ghetto and to engage the world .. and
then use the AL Smith dinner as an example of that is stupid. Exactly HOW is the world
being engaged with the aim of changing it by eating rubber chicken with your enemy?
Does Donohue imagine that somehow Obama will stride into the Waldorf Astoria and see
this marvelous affair and repent? Obama was already at this dinner four years ago – and
you see how much good THAT did for the Church.
And then his sneering dismissing “they have their little petitions, don’t they” comment.
On behalf of the thousands and thousands of faithful Catholics who have read and signed
those “little petitions” .. Mr. Donohue, just who in the blazes do you think you are? You
deliver the same level of respect that we would get at a Planned Parenthood conference.
Your positions in defense of this invitation are intellectually-weak, ad-hominem,
contradictory of the facts and downright uncharitable and insulting and your blustery
delivery doesn’t make them any more true.
Ah, but the underlying attitude beneath them is indicative of something that common
everyday faithful Catholics have long suspected and had confirmed time and time again.
That just as with any large bureaucracy and the establishment that supports it, there are
people who are members of the “in-crowd” and those on the outs – you know, the piety
police with their little petitions who are holier than the Pope.
You may enjoy basking in the glory of having such high rank and entrée that you can talk
to the Cardinal “just this morning on the phone”, but 99 percent of Catholics don’t enjoy
that privilege.
We just need to be content to sit here quietly and look at boneheaded moves like inviting
an avowed enemy of the Church to a GREAT BIG PHOTO OP complete with not just the
Cardinal Archbishop of New York .. but the same man who is the LEADER OF ALL
THE CATHOLCI BISHOPS IN THE UNITED STATES .. the same group SUING him.
But see .. the daily experience of Catholics on the ground Mr. Donohue is that they don’t
get to talk to their bishops. They don’t get to hop on the phone with them. They don’t
get their letters answered. Their emails go ignored or responded to with a automatic reply.
The rare occasion they do get something back .. it’s generally dismissive and
condescending or patronizing or comes from some staffer at the local chancery.
And what is it they want to sit and talk with their bishops .. their shepherds .. their fathers
about Mr. Donohue? They want to talk about the crazy nun in the local RCIA program
saying Jesus didn’t really rise from the dead. They want to try and understand why the
bishop has appointed and is allowing a flagrantly homosexual priest to run the parish and
deliver very suspect homilies.
They want understand why the local Catholic school has ceased passing on the faith. And
WHY do they want to talk with their spiritual fathers about all these topics and more. Mr.
Donohue?
Because they are reeling from the fact that no one in their family goes to Mass anymore.
That their children are living in sin, that their siblings are practicing contraception, that
their grandchildren don’t believe in the Real Presence .. that their parents are divorced or
cheating on each other and support abortion or same-sex marriage .. that the culture at
large and the Culture of Death specifically has consumed the people they love and they
don’t see one blessed finger of any consequence being lifted by the establishment church
and those who glide comfortably through those halls of power to rescue their loved ones.
All they see is confusion and mixed messages and politics and money-grubbing and good
traditional Catholics .. clergy included .. being marginalized and abuse after abuse after
abuse going on at Sunday Mass and the devotional life withering on the vine and parishes
being closed by the hundreds .. and religious orders withering up and vocations
disappearing .. and confessions a thing of the past and Catholic marriages and baptisms
plummeting to record lows.
In short .. they see the reality for what it Mr. Donohue. They see the souls of their loved
ones being lost and a Church that should be bold and aggressive in preventing that dying
on the vine.
That’s REALLY what’s going on here with the Al Smith dinner .. the whole bloody back
drop to this sad affair. The Obama invite is really a flashpoint for the much larger
unspoken battle in the Church .. the battle not between Modernists and Orthodox .. but
between the Catholic-elites and the Peasant Catholics that the power structures want
nothing to do with.
And why do they want nothing to do with them? Because to engage them would force
the elites to be accountable and they know it. They would have to try and render an
explanation for all the filth and corruption and lack of charity that has so permeated the
halls of the establishment Church.
The leaders would have to explain their decisions to allow the madness of errant theology
being preached .. of the spiritual insanity that emanates from pulpits and catholic
classrooms and religious ed offices.
They would have to explain why the Church has essentially collapsed on their watch.
And they don’t want to do that because they know there IS NO explanation. And
moreover .. they have NO plan to fix it because they are unwilling to understand the full
scope of the devastation because it convicts THEM.
So they are content to send out attack dogs .. to release the hounds on faithful Catholics
rather than sit down and talk with them.
And most importantly what they have failed to grasp utterly is this. Peasant Catholics ..
which includes .. absolutely includes many solid priests and seminarians .. who up to this
point have been dismissed, smeared, discarded, ignored, mocked, belittled and dumped
on, are willing to forgive everything and support their bishops at a moment’s notice .. in a
heartbeat .. if the bishops would rally to the cause of the cause of the Church and stop
pandering to the culture.
You engage the world by fighting the evil in it .. not by having dinner with it.
So how about it Establishment Church? There’s a whole army out here which has been
on the side of the Church and never left. We’re here ready and waiting. Stop treating us
peasant Catholics like we’re the enemy and start giving us our marching orders.
Please sign the petition respectfully asking Cardinal Dolan to withdraw the invitation to
Obama.
GOD Love you,
I’m Michael

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5 Comments to “Obama (or rather, the Catholic Elites or Establishment) & Peasant Catholics”

  1. Tom says:

    The Catholic Elite

    Michael Voris
    The Vortex
    08-14-2012

    Catholic Elites have become part of the problem .. despite good work they do.

    Transcript www.churchmilitant.tv/scripts/vort-2012-08-14.pdf

    Hello everyone and welcome to The Vortex where lies and falsehoods are trapped and
    exposed. I’m Michael Voris.
    To continue with a theme that needs to be discussed .. Catholic peasants .. a term
    referring to just your average run of the mill Faithful Catholic whose deep concerns about
    the direction of the Church are dismissed or patronizingly brushed aside by Catholic
    elites.
    Catholic Elites are the members of the Church who enjoy the prestige of being warmly
    welcomed into the power circles of chanceries because they toe the party line and stay
    quiet about the intellectual and theological and moral corruption within the Church.
    And you see .. here’s the major diving line between Catholic Elites and Catholic
    Peasants.
    While Catholic elites very rightly and correctly point to the deterioration and evil in the
    secular culture .. they are silent as the grave when it comes to these same influences in
    the Church.
    And to distinguish a bit further. We aren’t talking about the same influences as they are
    demonstrated in BLATANT heterodoxy and dissent.
    Those types are obvious and both Catholic elites and peasants largely agree about those
    wildly misguided Catholics .. or modernist Catholics .. which is what they are in reality.
    No .. where the Elite and Peasant Catholics part company is with regard to the more
    subtle influence of modernism and Americanism WITHIN the Church …the very
    conditions that are allowed to exist and prosper in which the more blatant dissent thrives.
    And it isn’t that the Catholic Elites .. desire an outcome of dissent and theological
    madness. Not at all .. but it is precisely because they will not challenge the
    CONDITIONS that exist WITHIN the establishment Church that foster the dissent.
    And here’s is where one has to step back and wonder. First of all .. these people are not
    un-intelligent. They are common names on the officially APPROVED Catholic talk
    circuit.
    They write extensively .. books and articles .. and are regularly quoted .. sometimes even
    by secular media when it comes some Culture War skirmish here or there. And they
    represent the Church and Her teachings well in those settings.
    The issue is that they will not stick their necks .. or rather the privileges they enjoy for
    towing the party line .. on the chopping block.
    You come out and say openly .. the emperor has no clothes .. and you will see the
    establishment Church turn on you with a ferocity reserved for the Church’s worst
    enemies. They will blackball you .. begin every kind of whisper campaign against you ..
    issue vague press releases about you implying things that are untrue .. in short .. try to
    END you.
    And the Elite Catholics know this. They know that if they came out and said what they
    really know .. they would lose their rank and reputation .. they would be banned
    overnight from Catholic TV and radio. Their opportunities to publish in “conservative”
    Catholic publications would come to an end and with a guarantee .. they know they
    would have given their last public speech.
    So .. its east to understand why they don’t want to rock the boat. Their careers and
    livelihoods are at stake. They would lose their jobs in the chancery or the seminary staff
    or in Catholic academia. They would become a persona non gratia.
    Nevertheless .. as long as the establishment Church is unchanged .. so that a climate of
    boldness not against the world .. but against the laxness and politics WITHIN the
    Church .. until THESE evils .. and they are evil .. are defeated .. the Church will continue
    to spin her wheels in the culture at large and continue to slide deeper into irrelevance.
    In many quarters .. the mission of the Church has been subordinated to personal
    ambitions.. pettiness and career advancement. For those Catholic elites .. to speak of
    these truths would rain down vengeance on them. But to remain quiet about them keeps
    the Church in a perpetual state of ineffectiveness.
    Just how silly is it to .. one the one hand .. complain that a majority of Catholics continue
    to vote for candidates who support a multiplicity of intrinsic evils .. and on the other hand
    remain dead silent about the prevailing conditions in the Church which have resulted in
    this sad reality.
    A majority of Catholics not only vote for culture of death candidates .. but Catholics abort
    .. Catholics contracept .. Catholics divorce and remarry .. Catholics stay away from the
    sacraments in droves .. by the tens of millions because those in leadership roles have
    abdicated their responsibilities to preach and explain these truths sufficiently and
    relentlessly.
    Who knows why they don’t? Fear, ambition, ignorance, misplaced notion of charity,
    hidden dissent, all of the above. Whatever the reason, It’s clear to anyone who has eyes
    that the Church is failing Her own Children. For Catholic elites to remain silent about
    this makes them accomplices and enablers in the great collapse of the Church that has
    continued now for nearly 50 years.
    This is not a case of creating division. It’s a case of turning the spotlight on a great
    division that is currently existing and too many Catholic Elites are afraid to talk about.
    Those graced with leadership in the end MUST lead – or don’t complain when the
    Culture of Death takes what little you have remaining.
    Only if the Church cleans up Her own act first .. can She be an effective weapon against
    the satanic forces choking and strangling the culture. Only saints can defeat evil .. and
    the business of the Church is making saints. Anything preventing that or slowing it down
    must be jettisoned .. no matter the personal cost.
    As St. Catherine of Sienna famously cried … “We’ve had enough of exhortations
    to be silent! Cry out with a hundred thousand tongues. I see that the world
    is rotten because of silence.”
    GOD Love you,
    I’m Michael Voris

  2. Tom says:

    [From the horse's mouth on this matter]

    AL SMITH DINNER SPARKS DEBATE

    August 15, 2012
    www.catholicleague.org/al-smith-dinner-sparks-debate/

    Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the debate over this year’s Al Smith Dinner:

    It is customary, though not compulsory, for the New York Archbishop to invite the presidential candidates from the two major political parties to the annual Al Smith Dinner in New York City. This year both candidates will be there. Some are not happy with these choices, especially the decision to invite President Obama. Cardinal Timothy Dolan has not been shy about his criticisms of the Health and Human Services (HHS) mandate, yet he decided to rise above the politics of the moment and allow the presidential candidates to partake in this charitable event.

    On the August 9 edition of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” (Fox Business Channel), I vigorously defended Cardinal Dolan’s decision. I talked with him earlier that day about this issue and found, unsurprisingly, that the New York Archbishop wasn’t budging in his conviction that the HHS mandate must be fought with every tool we have. His resolve is unflinching. For me, that was the bottom line. But not for others.

    If Catholics want to change the culture, they need to engage it. Practically speaking, this means that we invite local political figures to Midnight Mass at Christmas, regardless of their religion or politics; it means we break bread with our adversaries at commemorative events; it means we fraternize with those with whom we disagree with at city, state and federal functions. It does not mean that we are selling out.

    Acting diplomatically may at times make for a hard swallow. But following protocol is not analogous to prostituting one’s principles. As anyone who read Cardinal Dolan’s statement from yesterday knows, he is not caving in; indeed he is incapable of doing so.

    Finally, though I am not going to the dinner (I have never been to any of these dinners), my defense of the New York Archbishop has led to a barrage of vile comments directed at me. So be it. But Cardinal Dolan deserves better.

    • land of the irish says:

      The blow heart, Donohue, is a company man, through and through. He bleeds green (money). He defended Donna Wuerl removing the faculties of a good priest who refused Holy Communion to a self-pronounced practicing lesbian and apostate catholic, now a Buddhist.

      www.catholicleague.org/cardinal-wuerl-attacked-from-the-right/

      Neither Dolan, nor Wuerl nor Donohue “deserves better”. The Catholic League is a farce.

      • gpmtrad says:

        The NO hierarchcical establishment and the “cool” Catholic ( sic! ) establishment*** deserve only one another and most certainly not the attention of Catholics….

        “Oh, far our, Bill. So, like, you would, like, be down with the Lord inviting Herod over for shishkabob with the Apostles, a few goblets and a lotta yucks. right? Man, that is so totally awesome, Bill! Wow! Brave New Church is even cooler than I thought!”.

        *** HQs located at EEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW!TN studios. Were it not for Raymond Arroyo, half the sophomoric goofball “Catholic Superstars” folks have to put up with would be out of work as pundits, authors and “experts”. The other half are most likely still around because of “Life On The Rock”.

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