Is Cardinal Kurt Koch Intentionally Leading People Into Error [by Comparing SSPX with Luther]?
The Joker- President of the [Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity] has compared the Society of St. Pius X with Martin Luther — the Church Father of the Conciliar Church — of all things.
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The Eponymous Flower
8/1/12
eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/08/is-cardinal-kurt-koch-intentionally.html
(kreuz.net) There is “not a hermeneutic of pure continuity” in the interpretation of the Second Vatican Council by the Pope.
This oft repeated expression was made by the Old Liberal curial Cardinal Kurt Koch — who is the President of the Pontifical Council for [Promoting Christian] Unity — to the German ‘Katholischen Nachrichtenagentur’.
Empty Mist Instead of Catholic Doctrine
An interpretation of the “hermeneutic of pure continuity” would apparently be a substitution by the Traditionalists — maundered the Cardinal.
In reality the Old Believers have maintained that the Pastoral [Vatican II] Council represents a break with the Doctrine of the Church.
The Cardinal made a lot of mist: The Pope sees “a connection of renewal and continuity in the sense that the Council desired and needed a renewal of the Church but not a new Church.”
Wants a Class of a Class
Cardinal Koch styled the documents of the Pastoral Council with the same comb, although they arranged are in four large Constitutions, nine decrees and three [declarations].
On may — apparently a “purely formal” — distinction between the documents.
In any case the Cardinal fabricated then “a problem, as the Council of Trent (1545-1563) had only enacted decrees and no constitutions.”
What the Cardinal didn’t say: The Council of Trent formulated [infallible] “anathemas”, which condemned errors in sentences as clear as glass.
Dogmatically Unbinding
At the Pastoral Council Cardinal Koch saw “hardly any difference” in the “binding with regard to its content”.
That means: the Pastoral Council itself had imputed a lower dogmatic value binding character.
He attempted to enhance the Decree on Ecumenism that it apparently has its dogmatic formulations in the non-dogmatic Constitution of the Church.
The Ecumenism-Cardinal Insults the Protestants
As far as the reconciliation of the Society of St. Pius X, Cardinal Koch sees difficulties in that they see errors in the Pastoral Council.
“That Councils can also contain errors, is in any case an error which goes back to Martin Luther” — said the Cardinal critically on the fabrications of the Protestants.
The Old Believers must “really ask, where they actually stand” themselves — as he leveled a broadside against the inventor of Protestantism.
Actually Cardinal Koch shows himself as more papal than the Pope.
Because the Pastoral Council did not avail itself of the infallibility of a dogmatic Council — which Luther denied.
Take Care, Cardinal Koch
The Lefebrist website ‘pius.info’ posed the question today, “if the Cardinal is leading people with intention into error”.
The hapless Cardinal needs remedial Catechism: A Council is infallible, when it defines a doctrine of the Faith.
This is the point that Martin Luther contested.
On the contrary the Church has never insisted that “everything, which is within the text of a Council is infallible.”
Dogmatized the Pastoral Council After the Fact
The Pastoral Council understands itself as a Pastoral Council.
For that reason it could “not raise the claim of binding character.”
The founder of the Society, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre (+1991), had frequently pointed out that one said during the Council , that it wasn’t necessary to express with dogmatic precision what would merely be treated as a Pastoral Council.
Actually: “After the Council then one would begin to make the texts dogmatic, as Cardinal Koch had done.”
The Conciliar Church is a Divided Kingdom
Cardinal Koch [and CDF Prefect Archbishop Gerhard Muller with his statement of the "dogmatic implications" of the teachings of Vatican II] also contradicted a statement by Cardinal Walter Brandmueller in the past May.
The later attested that the Conciliar documents over inter-religious dialog and apparent religious freedom had no “dogmatically binding content”.
Cardinal compares SSPX to Lutherans
7/31/12
cathcon.blogspot.com/2012/07/cardinal-compares-sspx-to-lutherans.html
Swiss Curial Cardinal with responsibility for ecumenism tells “Kathpress” in an interview about the importance of the Council, ecumenism and Lefebvrist
The Swiss Cardinal Kurt Koch has directed himself against the arguments especially of the Lefebvrist SPPX that the statements of Vatican II would have a different level of obligation. Although one could raise formal differences between the different types of texts – from constitutions, decrees and declarations. But there was little difference in the binding nature in terms of content, the President of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity said clearly on Tuesday in an interview with “Kathpress” in Rome. The Decree on Ecumenism had its doctrinal basis in the Constitution on the Church.
The ecumenical movement, one of the points of criticism of the Lefebvrists, must be and remain a central theme of the church stressed Koch. The Council had declared from the beginning two main goals, to renew the church and restore the unity of Christians (Cathcon- miserable failure on both points!) This was the “focus of the whole council,” said the cardinal. In this respect, ecumenism was no side issue, or any appendage, “but a central theme of the Council. Therefore, it must be a central theme of the Church today,” said the Swiss Cardinal.
With their criticism of the Council, the “SSPX” (Cathcon- why in inverted commas?) represents similar positions to those of Martin Luther. They were obviously assuming that the Second Vatican Council (1962-65) has committed error, Koch said. “The fact that councils may err also, however, is a claim that goes back to Martin Luther,” the cardinal thought. “Hence, the traditionalists already must ask themselves where do they actually stand.” (Cathcon- I am sure the German Lutherans will be over the moon to be compared to the SSPX!)
Reorientation towards goal of the Council
The Second Vatican Council which opened 50 years ago wanted and brought to fruition a renewal of the Church but not a new church. Towards this goal, the Church needs today a reorientation, said Koch. He recalled Pope Benedict XVI who said soon after taking office, in a keynote speech on the importance of the council for a “hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture” and of a “hermeneutic of reform.” The Pope does not mean a pure continuity, as has occasionally been imputed to him said Cardinal Koch. “The traditionalists represent such an idea.” Rather the Pope sees a “combination of renewal and continuity in the sense that the Council had wanted and implemented but not a new church.”
The fact is the SSPX teaches and preaches the faith 100% Catholic and that is really what bugs these compromisers, in my opinion they really don’t like the hard sayings of Jesus and his Catholic Church.
Pope Visits Venerated Lutheran Monastery
By JUDY DEMPSEY
Published: September 24, 2011
BERLIN — Pope Benedict XVI made a historic visit on Friday to the monastery where Martin Luther studied before he initiated the Reformation that led to a split from the Catholic Church nearly 500 years ago.
By visiting the monastery in the eastern German city of Erfurt, a region that is considered the heartland of German Protestantism, and holding an ecumenical service in its stone chapel, the pope sought to emphasize how far relations had improved between the Catholic and Protestant churches.
Benedict praised Luther for his “deep passion and driving force in his beliefs.”
www.nytimes.com/2011/09/24/world/europe/pope-visits-venerated-lutheran-monastery.html
In a eulogy for the Protestant bishop Dr. Johannes Friedrich, Bishop Mueller said on October 11, 2011: “Also the Christians that are not in full community with the Catholic Church regarding teaching, means of salvation and the apostolic episcopacy, are justified by faith and baptism and they are fully(!) incorporated/integrated into Church of God, being the Body of Christ.” This contradicts the integral Catholic tradition and especially the teaching of Pius XII in Mystici Corporis.
www.sspx.org/miscellaneous/fr_gaudron_on_bishop_mueller_7-6-2012.htm
Bishop Mueller has recently been chosen by the Pope to be the new head of the CDF.
Who can take this man seriously?
I mean since when is Luther bad after all? Isn’t he the great reformer that the conciliar Church has followed? Aren’t they saying (essentially – minus the valid consecration) the mass (or liturgical reform) of Luther?
Haven’t they embraced essentially the theology of Luther regarding the priesthood, grace, salvation and sacraments?
Haven’t they embraced the secular and humanistic view of the world that Luther taught?
Who is the Protestant I wonder?
Really, what planet is this Cardinal on?
Black is white. Up is down. Hot is cold. Got it.
“Live by the dumb. Die by the dumb.” ( From the prophetic pen of Tom Clancy )
I’ve heard of inculpable ignorance. Never heard of exculpable daftness, though.
Then, again, this IS Brave New Church yacking away so maybe that “get out of jail card” IS hidden somewhere in the penumbra of prgressivist ether through which floats the hermeneutic of discombobuluity?
I think this is the new strategy, to present modernism as the new tradition. Do you remember Bishop Fellay’s rendition of it, in the Candlemas sermon? He said something like, they ask us if we like tradition, and we say, Yes! They ask us, do we love tradition, and we say, Yes, we do! Then they say, The Council is tradition now, because we say so, love it or else. They declare it to be so. Faux tradition, although some of us here do not like the term much.
That’s where the ‘love’ for the TLM has come from: a new readiness to co-opt it and use it. Gut it for its ‘sacred feel.’ And discard it. They are like modern demons who have learned that holy water needn’t dissolve a devil into a puddle.