Who opposes the SSPX’s regularization?

On two different forums, some of the most vocal “internal” critics of the SSPX’s leadership (i.e. those who have been attacking Bishop Fellay for accepting the idea of regularization by Rome) have tried to make an argument from silence:

the fact that there hasn’t been more of an outcry about the idea of a regularized SSPX from the Church’s enemies — they say — proves that regularization is what the Church’s enemies want.

Not the best logic, but ignoring that for a moment, a more basic question: is the premise true? Are the only people who oppose regularization these self-styled “loyal sons” of Archbishop Lefebvre? Have the Church’s enemies kept quiet about the idea of regularizing the Society?

Let’s see…

AMERICA MAGAZINE

“Why is the true church pursuing these schismatic heretics and making deals with them about what church teachings they need to or don’t need to accept? The Vatican’s most recently-floated idea is that it would be willing to grant the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) the canonical status of a personal prelature, similar to Opus Dei (flip!). Like I said, somersaults. But only for the rebels, not for the faithful questioners… Compare this jilted lover’s pursuit of SSPX with the Vatican’s treatment of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious…” (SOURCE)

AMERICAN JEWISH COMMITTEE

“Rabbi David Rosen, who heads the American Jewish Committee’s interreligious affairs office and is a veteran of Catholic-Jewish dialogue, said he was worried about the Vatican’s gesture and awaited further clarification. ‘If Nostra Aetate and Lumen Gentium (another Vatican II document) are not considered fundamental doctrines of the Church, and it is possible to question them without challenging the authority of the church, then we (and not just Jewish-Catholic relations) are in for a very rough ride ahead,’ he said in an email.” (SOURCE)

ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE

“‘It would be unthinkable to allow a Catholic breakaway sect that includes a Holocaust-denying bishop, Richard Williamson, to be reintegrated into the church while still being allowed to promote anti-Semitism and anti-Judaism – which they have been doing for years in their teachings and on their web site,’ said Abraham Foxman, Anti-Defamation League national director.” (SOURCE)

HANS KÜNG

“Before the Pope [regularizes the Society] he must be duly warned, not least by the bishops, because of the following: The pope would be including in the Church bishops and priests that are definitely invalidly ordained… With such a scandalous decision, Pope Benedict would, in his overall regretted isolation, be even more separated from the People of God. The classical doctrine regarding schism should be a warning to him. According to it, a schism of the Church happens when there is separation from the Pope, but also when the latter separates himself from the body of the Church.” (SOURCE)

A FEW OF THE ROMAN CURIA AND BISHOPS

“A few of the Roman curia and the bishops criticize Benedict XVI for making unilateral gestures toward the Lefebvrists, without having anything in return. It is observed that all of his gestures have a clear coherence and theological consistency. But they are falling on soil that has not been adequately cultivated. Even the lifting of the excommunication of the four bishops falls under these criticisms.” (SOURCE)

UPDATE – 06/22/12
[h/t AQ’s tradical]

NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER

“What are we to make of the ballroom delicacy with which these administrators have been engaged in a quadrille with the heretical Society of Saint Pius X in comparison with the step-on-your-foot quickstep they employ in dealing with the Leadership Council of Women Religious of the United States?… Holy Father, the real mystery is how you continue to coddle the defiantly heretical SSPX crowd while allowing the women who largely built and still maintain the church to be bullied by Vatican administrators. The latter is a classic variation of sex abuse; that is, the use of power by those who possess it over those who do not possess it.” (SOURCE)

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15 comments on “Who opposes the SSPX’s regularization?

  1. “Some of the most vocal critics of the SSPX leadership have recently tried to make an argument from silence”

    Huh, how can they be vocal if they’re silent? You then go on to quote those “most vocal critics”.

    You assume the worst of those within the SSPX who hold their tongues. Something you can’t do.

  2. You put the Roman Curia and Bishops on a list of the Church’s enemies? It’s into their arms you seem to want to run, and it’s them from whom a canonically recognized SSPX will require permission to found new chapels, schools, priories, etc.

  3. These idiots are deceived by the calm before the storm – As bishop Fellay stated
    if the SSPX is approved there will be a bomb going off in the Church.

  4. tradical on said:

    Gordon,

    Here’s another link to refute the idea that the liberals are being silent about the possible regularization:

    ncronline.org/blogs/bulletins-human-side/doesnt-anybody-around-here-know-how-run-church

  5. tradical on said:

    Jake,

    What you have outlined would be considered a ‘straw-man’ fallacy, by exaggerating the ‘position’, as you perceive it, of the General Council.

    If you are going to listen to one side of the story (anti-regs) then you should listen to the other side as well.

    Bishop Fellay is aware of the issue (as noted in his DICI interview) and they are trying to find a solution. It is important to note that the Pope is the supreme law-giver and can make it happen.

    Ultimately, if the Pope gives the SSPX a canonical arrangement that makes this work, what is the problem?

  6. What’s the problem? That’s a bigger question than it appears to be. Serv & I go back a long way & clearly we disagree on this issue. I want to be welcome here & would like to avoid causing headaches for an old friend, so I’m choosing my words carefully. At the same time, I find it maddening to see goofy, flawed arguments going unopposed simply because the authors feel assured of their ability to post them under this new climate, serv having made his position very clear. Trying to adhere unflinchingly to a traditional Catholic position in an ever more hostile environment is actually how AQ came into being.

    • What’s the problem? That’s a bigger question than it appears to be. Serv & I go back a long way & clearly we disagree on this issue. I want to be welcome here & would like to avoid causing headaches for an old friend, so I’m choosing my words carefully. At the same time, I find it maddening to see goofy, flawed arguments going unopposed simply because the authors feel assured of their ability to post them under this new climate, serv having made his position very clear.

      Jake,

      There are very few things you can do on this earth that will cause me not to be your friend. You’ll still see me on Facebook (when I’m able to get back on) acting like the same jackass as always.I’ll still relentlessly hunt your ass down if you ever come up MIA again.

      I think people on both sides are reading far too much into my “position.” It’s really simple, because I’m a simpleton. Here it is:

      We – as always – will support the SSPX.

      We have always done that. I can’t for the life of me understand how my “new” position (which isn’t new at all) surprises anyone. I’m right here, the same person as always, with the same exact “position.”

      I haven’t even grown a beard, or changed my hairstyle over the last decade. I even have the same dog, he absolutely refuses to submit to death. In fact, I’ve just realized I’ve known YOU for about a decade.

      If there’s no “deal” we’ll continue to support the SSPX. If there is a deal, we’ll continue to support the SSPX. As far as I go, and as far as angelqueen.org goes, it has EVER BEEN THUS. Nothing whatsoever has changed even one iota. I am the same, AQ is the same.

      Ask me why I’m taking this “position.” Really, please do. I want to expound.

  7. tradical on said:

    Hi Jake,

    “What’s the problem” a small question with big answers.

    Although people (myself included) usually give long answers to this question, one thing I’m trying to do is to bring it down to as short and answer as possible.

    Case in point: If the Pope asks you to do something that isn’t against the Faith etc, the decision is a no brainer, you obey … it is a virtue after all to submit ones will to ones superior.

    Maybe I’m off topic, but ultimately, that is what this is all about: Obedience and when it is prudent/obligatory to respectfully disobey.

    Perceptual biases will influence how a person sees this issue.

    When an organization comes under stress fault lines (differences in belief etc) will become more evident.

    Every time the Pope has come close to the SSPX these fault lines have become evident in the Church.

    Now that the SSPX has come closer to the Pope, the same thing is happening within the SSPX.

    All the bickering and jostling is evidence of this.

    The simplicity of all this was put forth by St. Ignatius.

    In the final equation there are two camps, as the stress is increased within the respective organizations it will become clear who is on the side of the Mystical Body of Christ and who isn’t.

  8. I’d like to see Kung’s logic for why SSPX priests and bishops are “definitely invalidly ordained.” Is it just a translation issue that should have said “illicitly”?

  9. Gordon, it is indeed sad.
    I firmly believe he would be here if he could.
    I am praying that all is well with dear Howl.
    +++

  10. tradical said:

    “Now that the SSPX has come closer to the Pope, the same thing is happening within the SSPX. All the bickering and jostling is evidence of this.”

    CRISTERO
    WANNABEES

    They’re wannabe Cristeros
    Playing in their made up war –
    Pretending they are soldiers
    Each one of them a czar.

    The battle is ahead
    But in their house they stay –
    No Officers or Captains
    To guide them while at play.

    They love to shout their battle cries
    “Viva Cristo Rey!”
    Forgetting true Cristeros –
    Their general-priest obey.

    And laying down their arms
    At the Holy Father’s word –
    Yes, they suffered martyrdom
    But Cristo Rey’s forever heard!

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