AQ Editorial: Nothingness – Rebellion and the SSPX “split” fantasy

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Att: Rebels.

We won’t become angry with you, debate you, coddle you or criticize you. We won’t respond, react or even flinch. We won’t attempt to talk you into something, or talk you out of anything.

You see, any of the above would a tacit indication that your opinions, musings and philosophies etc. are important to Angelqueen.org, the SSPX and/or Holy Mother Church at large.

God knows – as does anyone who’s been here more than a day – we’ve done our share of rebelling on AQ. We’ve also had a disproportionate say in extremely crucial events affecting our Church and our fellow man. Our opinions, musings and philosophies have been heeded by authors, priests, bishops, politicians, journalists, district superiors, webmasters and undetermined VIPs at the very seat of the faith in Rome. To whatever degree possible, we’ve played our part (however large or small) in history, and if God wills it, and only if He wills it, we’ll do more of the same in the future.

There is a time for everything. We’ve had our time to rebel and speak out. Now, at least for the time being, we will SIT DOWN AND BE QUIET. If I can do it, anyone can. If there’s any part of “sit down and be quiet” that is unclear, you’re welcome to attach great importance to yourself and stand up and be counted – at which point you will become nothing. At least on AQ.

On the old platform, the mods would “ban” users. On this platform, it’s far less dramatic, or at least seems so. We simply choose “no role for this site” from a drop down box. After which you will – without any drama or fanfare whatsoever – become nothing.

On that note, the wiser amongst you can expand a similar nothingness out to the real world. This great “split” that certain minorities fantasize about will become nothing – or nearly nothing. “Nothing to speak of” I suppose is the term. No schools, no seminaries, no chapels, no convents, no real estate, no meaningful financing and no substantial priesthood.

There will be no massive throngs of passionate faithful gathering for ordinations to a soundtrack of Vivaldi’s joyous horn concertos – as was the case when Archbishop Lefebvre made his bold and historic step into what I and many others believe will be his sainthood.

The battlefield is far different than it was in the 1970s.

The Mass is not diminishing it is expanding. Tradition is not being pushed out the door; it’s kicking in the door. The SSPX is not being abused, ridiculed and cast out, as was the case when angelqueen.org began. The society is being honored and welcomed by church authorities and the lay faithful alike. The heretical baby-boomers aren’t occupying every facet of Holy Church, they are, praise God, dying away.

The Mass has been freed, the excomms have been lifted, the theological talks have been undertaken (they will continue in many ways) and the Holy Father is about to give to the SSPX more freedom and authority than the Archbishop himself ever wished for.

Given all of this, God gave you free will. You are free to choose rebellion over service. You can malinger at the very time Holy Church needs you most. You can remain in your foxhole or, FINALLY, emerge from it and engage as true Church Militant. Cede ground or take it. Allow fear and distrust to rule your mind or let hope and faith fill your heart. You can come home, or remain in the wilderness.

Bishops, priests and faithful, you’ve fought the good fight; as good a fight as nearly anyone at any time in history. You can claim your prize now, and quite possibly in the next life, or you can choose nothing, now and quite possibly in the next life.

Pull out all the stops. Revert to your catechism, scripture, wisdom, prayer, Solomon’s Proverbs whatever it takes. Please choose wisely. You’re needed now more than ever.

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38 comments on “AQ Editorial: Nothingness – Rebellion and the SSPX “split” fantasy

  1. Beautiful!!

    OF
    BRIGADES
    AND
    BRIGANDS

    The fife and drum
    Another did come
    Wearing his jaunty beret –

    They held down their thumb
    At the Conductor’s hushed hum
    For him they would not play –

    The Conductor did urge
    “It is not a dirge
    Should be music a balm for each nerve” –

    But the fife and drum surge
    With beret he did merge
    The Conductor’s baton they’d not serve –

    So alone on their way
    A brigade gone astray
    They’ll play and recite their sad rune –

    Not siezing the day
    In Mary’s month May
    Please pray that these brigands change tune!

  2. Right behind you servitium – That is what God wills.

    I will say this – While I don’t hold that the Conciliar Church is any better than it was in the 1970’s, I think it is far worse, but it is the Catholic Church that we are concerned with. They are the official holders of the office. Nor will I say that I think that the Holy Father or the bishops are wanting a clear return to Tradition. I think that wouldn’t be honest. But regardless we must do what we can for both. Our Lady of Fatima warned of this apostasy and she asked us to pray much for the Holy Father.

    But what is more is that the SSPX isn’t in the 1970’s either. I has it’s own structure, it has it’s own seminaries, chapels, parishes, etc. If the Modernists want to try to pull a swift one on the SSPX it won’t work since they have their own set up and have been familiar with the battle, the territory and the enemy. I think if anything it will make the SSPX stronger and work for the good of the Church as a whole, even if in the beginning (as it was when Archbishop Lefebvre founded the SSPX) there will have to be some things which will require working out/clarifying which will take time. – The SSPX will be criticized for this as ‘liberals, modernists etc’ – but I that was exactly what the Sede’s did to the Archbishop who they held wasn’t ‘Traditional Catholic enough’ because he didn’t implement their version of the liturgy and breviary. So be it !

    Let us work to keep up fight in a spirit of faith and zeal for the glory of God and His Holy Church.

    • Reading a variety of blogs, there are a host of souls out there descrying the convenient coinciding of God’s will with their own will. We do not know whether what transpires is God’s positive will or His permissive will. There is a world of difference between the two.

  3. Most excellent!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. Excellent, Excellent!

    All those faithful who assist at SSPX chapels would do well to take this advise. Sadly, having cruised around the blogs, there is much jumping to conclusions and lay “excommunications” going on.

  5. Peremptory tactic to silence dissent from a personal opinion. Not fact: opinion. While it may make life more agreeable by preventing uncomfortable, dissonant challenges, it does not secure for oneself the truth of the matter.

  6. It was the most gifted and beautiful of the angels in heaven who, when tested, pronounced, “NON SERVIAM.”

    Let that be a reminder to the fine minds and orators within the SSPX, and their supporters, who would challenge Bishop Fellay and renounce all association with the Pope of Rome.

    The words of Our Lord that guide me particularly are his parable of the wheat and the cockle. Our Lord told us — He told us! — that it is possible to be too purist in rejecting association with bad elements in the Church.

    I am glad to belong to an SSPX chapel and I look forward to the future battle!

  7. Peremptory tactic to silence dissent from a personal opinion. Not fact: opinion. While it may make life more agreeable by preventing uncomfortable, dissonant challenges, it does not secure for oneself the truth of the matter.

    I gather that you’re born and raised in a modern Western democracy – likely America.

    I say this because many of us see ourselves as a sort of constituant of every human organization to which we belong. Everyone must have their say and “dissent” is held in high esteem. This will somehow bring about optimal results.

    In your case optimal results will follow if we simply allow dissenters, rebels, provacators and anyone else to use these pages to run off at the head. This will bring “truth.”

    HORSE. FLOP.

    There is a time and place for dissent. There is also a time and place where dissent serves no useful purpose whatsoever. Military operations come to mind.

    There is restoration brewing, with extremely powerful (historic) forces attempting to head it off. I will not give them aid and comfort with my silly-assed, un-Catholic dissent. It’s not time for it. Just the opposite in fact – this is the time to FALL IN LINE. Those who don’t understand that will not be long for this forum, nor will they be long for many other things in the ecclesiastical realm.

    What’s happening is inevitable – we cannot dissent from it anymore than a passenger can dissent from an airliner touching down at its destination.

    • Given that we are operating under a cloud of ignorance, it is rash to declare inevitability. Outside the laws of nature, not much is.

      Since this forum isn’t an organ of the church, the government or the family, and has up till now been constituted as a venue for ordinary laymen to share and dispute, there is nothing subversive or against Catholic principles in supporting the continuation of the same. The only principle being violated is thou shalt not annoy Serv.

      My observation was a negative one: that silencing those who disagree with one’s opinion will not secure truth. Twisting that into a positive assertion is to put words into my mouth, and categorizing any person who dissents from the moderator’s opinion as “rebels” and “provocateurs” is 1) to malign and 2) to set oneself up as the standard of truth and propriety.

      • “The only principle being violated is thou shalt not annoy Serv. ”

        That is a time-honored policy, rooted in the ancient concept that annoying your host, whether he be boss, innkeeper, or admin, will generally get you tossed out on your ear.

      • Since this forum isn’t an organ of the church, the government or the family, and has up till now been constituted as a venue for ordinary laymen to share and dispute, there is nothing subversive or against Catholic principles in supporting the continuation of the same.

        Am I at the right AQ? I’m asking because you’re describing something completely unfamiliar to me. Though we often “share and dispute,” those are by no means the principles on which this forum was constituted.

        How AQ was constituted is somewhat of a long story, but what it is now is not in the least what you think it is. AQ is much more a communications asset than a blabfest. The content here, especially from comment makers, has always been very much controlled. This is for good reasons – some of which you may understand and some you may not.

        Again there’s a time and place for everything. If anyone feels the need to “chat” or “dissent” on this particular matter or have their opinions blurted out over the World Wide Web, there are plenty of sites – mostly run by women – where you can do so.

        • My description of angelqueen’s activity is based on years of observing and participating.

          There is plenty of legitimate space between censorship (of opinions contrary to the moderator) and absolutely anything goes.

          Since when is slamming women acceptable Catholic speech? As though women generally have poor judgment and no self restraint with respect to their speech.

          • Since when is slamming women acceptable Catholic speech? As though women generally have poor judgment and no self restraint with respect to their speech.

            Okay dude, that’s it. Have a good one.

        • There are two trad forums that have completely degenerated into viper pits because they have taken a contrary approach on this matter.

          That is putting it as kindly as possible.

          It is an unfortunate reality that this is a topic where light reigns will result in the worst. A liberal approach on discussion of this topic won’t accomplish anything positive and risks much harm — this has been demonstrated — it is not just theory.

          Also one is free to engage in the other approach on this topic elsewhere.

          • Good point. I am in favor of serv’s policy, even though I am not completely sure if this agreement is a good idea or not. AQ should definitely not become like the other forums.

          • What’s really astonishing is how enthusiastically certain notorious BLEEPS (I’m guessing we’ve lost that feature) are being received in those quarters, as they prowl for fresh souls to lure into their dead-end sects. You’d like to think that even those most opposed to a Roman solution would have the good sense to tell BLEEPS where to go.

  8. Excellent.

    Good work, Serv.

  9. Serv,

    Excellent post, and an excellent reply to Spera.

    Spera, I’ve a question for you – would you have commented the same had Serv taken a position in support of dissention (and the position that you support)? If I were a betting person (which I am not), I would say you would not have said a thing.

    • I don’t yet have a position because no deal has been made and no details of a prospective deal have been revealed. As a supporter of the SSPX – time and treasure, but no talent, alas – I admit to being alarmed. Alarmed not by rumors but by public statements and publicly presented rationales. As to your question, I would consider myself intellectually dishonest to argue a position merely because it benefits – me.

      Consistency in applying principles and manner of reasoning is, I believe, to be striven for, and at the moment I am striving to apply the same principles and rationale to whatever transpires between Rome and the SSPX, as before in deciding for tradition rather than the new order. One of those (rebellious?) principles is that the faith comes before obedience.

  10. Columba on said:

    @servitium

    tacit indication that your opinions, musings and philosophies etc. are important to Angelqueen.org, the SSPX and/or Holy Mother Church at large.

    What about “rebellious” facts and is it possible to objectively distinguish between fact and opinion?

  11. What about “rebellious” facts and is it possible to objectively distinguish between fact and opinion?

    Oh good – here come the philosophers. Let me go sit on the bowl and stare at my naval for a few weeks. I should come up with something profound.

    Until that time, would you like to join me in SITTING DOWN AND BEING QUIET?

    Hint: There is only one correct answer.

    • Columba on said:

      My question about objectivity was meant to be rhetorical, not philosophical.

      I have not indulged in or expressed opinions, musings, philosophies, rumors, speculations, etc concerning the “rebellion.” Now I understand that also confirmed facts are no longer to be acknowledged. Message received.

    • “Let me go sit on the bowl and stare at my naval for a few weeks. I should come up with something profound.”

      ROTFL! My first thought went back to the Luther talk at this year’s CFN conference. Luther wrote his 95 thesis while on the potty.

  12. What’s happening is inevitable – we cannot dissent from it anymore than a passenger can dissent from an airliner touching down at its destination.

    Prescient analogy, and even better sensus fidei. Time to buckle up and stow the tray tables — not fret about surface winds or venture on how much fuel is left.

  13. Catherine Marie,

    Very well said! I could not agree more.

  14. Cyprian says “What’s happening is inevitable – we cannot dissent from it anymore than a passenger can dissent from an airliner touching down at its destination.”

    Yeah, but there are two ways an airliner can touch down at its destination. :)

  15. The Bishop gave an excellent sermon at the ordinations:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Q71vLJ7Ww&feature=plcp

  16. I agree with John Venari on this one:

    “Please! This editorial AQ is remarkably deficient in many areas. Loyal Catholics who are wary of the Agreement are not rebels. This is really reckless. Further, we’ve heard all the “trust” and “hope” business from the Fraternity of St. Peter back in 1988. I lived through it all back then. I remember going to see a lecture by a the Fraternity of St. Peter priest in 1988. When someone from the audience reminded the priest of Cardinal Ratzinger’s modernism, the priest froze the crowd with a stare and saying quiet haughtily, “Well, you don’t know the new Cardinal Ratzinger.” As time proved, there wasn’t much new. It’s as if the last 24 years of consistent Vatican betrayal of traditional Catholics have not happened. Granted we should not be trigger-happy. But Catholics are not Quietists. The watchword from Our Lord is WATCH and pray.”

    JV

    • Is there a way to do that “eating popcorn” emoticon?

    • Dolorosa,

      Spreading rumors, twisting words, encouraging and organizing an attempted coup of the SSPX leadership, calls for rebellion by priests and a certain bishop, etc. are dishonest, rebellious, and revolutionary tactics – and are in no way Catholic means of acting. These things are not based on facts but fears. As they do not have the facts, they could legitimately express their fears and concerns but that is not the course many have taken. They have chosen to be rebels. ‘Rebels’ is the only acceptable term for such people. The IA and CI forums are full of this behavior. TO watch is one thing, to go on a witch hunt is another. They are not WATCHING, they are trigger happy.

      Keep in mind, a majority (not all, but a majority) of those acting in such a manner are not even ‘SSPX’ followers. Most on CI and a large number on IA are sedes. Some are sedes wo attend SSPX chapels for lack of their own chapel and others don’t attend SSPX chapels at all, yet they are vehemently against an agreement and are doing whatever they can to sow discord and to re-orient the SSPX toward their sede position.

      • Meanwhile, in the UK, the “letter of the British faithful to Bishop Fellay” has been exposed in recent days as containing several (no-one knows how many) fraudulent signatures: elderly supporters of the SSPX with no internet access learning yesterday that their names were added against their will.

        Is this how a Godly campaign proceeds – by rumor, smear, malice and fraud?

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